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Old 09-10-2012, 02:24 PM   #1  
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Default Anyone Commute from Heathrow to EWR?

I thought I would just throw this out there to see if anyone commutes or knows anyone who commutes to EWR from London, UK? I am considering bidding the 757/767 and would most likely be a reserve / bottom line holder by mid-2013.

Would be commuting into the clock which would be helpful, plus I know at least the Jumpseat should most likely be available. Would also most likely live 20 minutes from LHR and would have get the global security pass to make life easier through customs (both UK and US).

Appreciate any information that anyone can share. Bids are final on the 13th so I need to figure this one out quick. Thanks
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Keep us updated on how this works out for you. Looking at this as an option in the future as well. I would live an hour by train from LHR.
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I thought I would just throw this out there to see if anyone commutes or knows anyone who commutes to EWR from London, UK? I am considering bidding the 757/767 and would most likely be a reserve / bottom line holder by mid-2013.

Would be commuting into the clock which would be helpful, plus I know at least the Jumpseat should most likely be available. Would also most likely live 20 minutes from LHR and would have get the global security pass to make life easier through customs (both UK and US).

Appreciate any information that anyone can share. Bids are final on the 13th so I need to figure this one out quick. Thanks

We have several CAL pilots who live in Europe and commute to EWR. One of the parts of the CAL contract that worked well for them was the DH/IRO pairings we have. They start their trip off with a DH(they are already in Europe) and have an extra 24 hours minimum off at home then they are the IRO Westbound. A couple live in Poland, one in Oslo, a couple in AMS and yes, I believe we have a Londoner in the ranks as well. The guys from Poland actually non-rev down to the city they need to be at early the morning of the IRO flight Westbound. They are able to then fly a trip from EWR within 24 hours after landing(usually fly another Europe trip)then commute home. Total work block of 4 days with 6 days credited due to the DH.
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We have several CAL pilots who live in Europe and commute to EWR. One of the parts of the CAL contract that worked well for them was the DH/IRO pairings we have. They start their trip off with a DH(they are already in Europe) and have an extra 24 hours minimum off at home then they are the IRO Westbound. A couple live in Poland, one in Oslo, a couple in AMS and yes, I believe we have a Londoner in the ranks as well. The guys from Poland actually non-rev down to the city they need to be at early the morning of the IRO flight Westbound. They are able to then fly a trip from EWR within 24 hours after landing(usually fly another Europe trip)then commute home. Total work block of 4 days with 6 days credited due to the DH.

Do they need company permission to deviate from the pairing? If your pairing has the deadhead built into it, do you even bother telling the company you will meet the trip in Europe. I've run into this at other airlines and was curious how they handle it at UCH. (and it goes without saying that this only would work for a lineholder...not a Reserve).
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We have several CAL pilots who live in Europe and commute to EWR. One of the parts of the CAL contract that worked well for them was the DH/IRO pairings we have. They start their trip off with a DH(they are already in Europe) and have an extra 24 hours minimum off at home then they are the IRO Westbound. A couple live in Poland, one in Oslo, a couple in AMS and yes, I believe we have a Londoner in the ranks as well. The guys from Poland actually non-rev down to the city they need to be at early the morning of the IRO flight Westbound. They are able to then fly a trip from EWR within 24 hours after landing(usually fly another Europe trip)then commute home. Total work block of 4 days with 6 days credited due to the DH.
I'm gonna presume that those pilots are not fans of the new FAR's and what I suspect will be in the JCBA.
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Lineholders just have to "inform" crew scheduling that they will be deviating from the DH. Reserves must ask permission.

Cadetdrivr, you are probably correct in that this little gem will probably not be received well by our European commuters. They will now have to bid trips to their hometowns and commute to EWR/IAD to start their trips. Hopefully nobody will try to commute the day of....that would make for a long day.
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Do they need company permission to deviate from the pairing?
Don't need permission, just need to tell them it's being done. It's called "fake DH" and is annotated on the schedule as such. It means you get paid for the segment even though you didn't fly it and also tells scheduler not to look for you when you don't show up for the DH segment. To be clear, the pilot TELLS the scheduler to annotate fake DH, he does ask for permission, per the contract.
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Don't need permission, just need to tell them it's being done. It's called "fake DH" and is annotated on the schedule as such. It means you get paid for the segment even though you didn't fly it and also tells scheduler not to look for you when you don't show up for the DH segment. To be clear, the pilot TELLS the scheduler to annotate fake DH, he does ask for permission, per the contract.
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When "telling scheduling" (not asking) about the FDH, the Pilot is ONLY allowed to exercise this option on the pairing's "first", or "last" leg....nothing in the middle of the pairing. Any deviation outside the first/last leg of the pairing must be coordinated/approved with scheduling prior to doing so (ie- DH'ing to an overnight within the pairing on an earlier flight that is presently build on the current pairing).
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Departure tax even for js out of London is close to $100
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Departure tax even for js out of London is close to $100
I did not think that if you list for the jumpseat, that you were charged tax for your trip. You are listed as a "crew member" and as such should not be charged regardless of where you sit.
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