Sure, Lets Outsource Some More Large "RJs"
11-21-2012 | 05:35 AM
#31
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,144
Likes: 204
Originally Posted by Gunga Galunga:1296671
Our friendly neighbors to the north at Air Canada operate EMB-175s, not operated by Jazz, if I'm not mistaken. If you're so economically savvy with CASM and the economics of regional vs mainline flying, why do you continue to sit at a stagnant ASA making 40 bucks an hour?
Air Canada to transfer Embraer fleet to Sky Regional | Reuters
Last edited by johnso29; 11-21-2012 at 06:19 AM.
11-21-2012 | 05:51 AM
#32
No longer cares
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 12,109
Likes: 0
From: 767er Captain
The federal mediator told our guys that Delta's scope disaster is now "industry standard".
So, yeah.....the DAL contract DOES affect the rest of the industry and it hurts our efforts to improve scope.
DAL continues to screw over the rest of the industry with their scope concessions. It's been going on for about 17 years now.
So, yeah.....the DAL contract DOES affect the rest of the industry and it hurts our efforts to improve scope.
DAL continues to screw over the rest of the industry with their scope concessions. It's been going on for about 17 years now.
Note: This is not intended as any opinion of the TA as it pertains to the rest of the UCal group. You guys do what you think is best for you. This was solely aimed at the jackass that spent weeks interjecting his opinion into my group. I wish the rest of you luck.
Last edited by johnso29; 11-21-2012 at 06:10 AM. Reason: Play nicely folks
11-21-2012 | 06:09 AM
#33
Moderator
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,088
Likes: 0
From: B757/767
The federal mediator told our guys that Delta's scope disaster is now "industry standard".
So, yeah.....the DAL contract DOES affect the rest of the industry and it hurts our efforts to improve scope.
DAL continues to screw over the rest of the industry with their scope concessions. It's been going on for about 17 years now.
So, yeah.....the DAL contract DOES affect the rest of the industry and it hurts our efforts to improve scope.
DAL continues to screw over the rest of the industry with their scope concessions. It's been going on for about 17 years now.
11-21-2012 | 06:15 AM
#34
Moderator
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,088
Likes: 0
From: B757/767
Not anymore. An arbitrator recently awarded Air Canada management permission to senrecents aircraft to a regional and Airbus & B767's to a low cost subsidiary of Air Canada. 
Lower paid pilots flying airplanes Air Canada pilots used to fly.
Lower paid pilots flying airplanes Air Canada pilots used to fly.
Last edited by johnso29; 11-21-2012 at 06:40 AM.
11-21-2012 | 06:21 AM
#35
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 23,286
Likes: 0
From: Light Chop
Not that I follow the latest and greatest on Air Canada, but...
7/30/2012:
7/30/2012:
The Air Canada Pilots Association said late Monday it was angered by the decision of a federally-appointed arbitrator to impose a new contract on them, which among other measures will allow the country’s largest carrier to push ahead with its plans to launch a new low-cost subsidiary.
“It’s a dark day,” said Capt. Paul Strachan, ACPA president in an interview. “It’s the beginning of the offshoring and outsourcing of our jobs.”
Air Canada wins pilots’ contract fight in arbitration | Transportation | News | Financial Post
7/31/2012“It’s a dark day,” said Capt. Paul Strachan, ACPA president in an interview. “It’s the beginning of the offshoring and outsourcing of our jobs.”
Air Canada wins pilots’ contract fight in arbitration | Transportation | News | Financial Post
Air Canada pilots’ contract settlement could lead to wider industry shakeup | Transportation | News | Financial Post
Shares in Air Canada rallied Tuesday after an arbitrator sided with the country’s largest carrier in its lengthy and bitter labour dispute with its pilots.....
...“The new agreement opens the door for substantive changes to Air Canada’s business, including the establishment of [a new low-cost carrier], more regional flying and potentially major fleet changes.”...
...At the heart of it all are changes to so-called “scoping” clauses contained in the contract, which put restrictions on the type of flying Air Canada and its partners can do
The new pilots contract not only opens the door to the launch of a new low-cost carrier, using a fleet of up to 30 Airbus A319s and 20 Boeing 767s, it potentially allows Air Canada to increase the number of smaller regional jets it operates to 60 76-seat planes. It could also let the airline find new regional partners and allow it to phase out its Embraer regional jets and Airbus narrowbodies in favour of a more competitive fleet, Mr. Doerksen said....
...Dave Legge, Air Canada senior vice-president of flight operations, held a web conference with the pilots Tuesday in which he said there were no plans to lay off pilots or to shrink the airline. Instead, the carrier plans to grow with its widebody fleet in the future, which he said will require additional hires...
...But Bombardier, on the other hand, could be in line to win new regional jet orders as a result of the changes, or even some orders for its new CSeries aircraft, he said.
...At the same time, phasing out the Embraers, coupled with the need to replace its smaller Airbus narrowbodies, would leave a significant gap in the airline’s fleet.
“The ideal aircraft to fill this gap could be Bombardier’s new CSeries, which between its two versions seats [110 to 145 passengers],” he said....
...Walter Spracklin, an RBC Capital Markets analyst, said the contract’s wage increases were in line with expectations. But he added that the pension reforms it contains, including moving new hires into a cheaper pension plan and reducing its funding obligations, will reduce its pension liability by more than $1-billion.
So now Air Canada's E175s are off property and that is seen as a blow to the pilots and a win for the company. We should view it the same here.
Shares in Air Canada rallied Tuesday after an arbitrator sided with the country’s largest carrier in its lengthy and bitter labour dispute with its pilots.....
...“The new agreement opens the door for substantive changes to Air Canada’s business, including the establishment of [a new low-cost carrier], more regional flying and potentially major fleet changes.”...
...At the heart of it all are changes to so-called “scoping” clauses contained in the contract, which put restrictions on the type of flying Air Canada and its partners can do
The new pilots contract not only opens the door to the launch of a new low-cost carrier, using a fleet of up to 30 Airbus A319s and 20 Boeing 767s, it potentially allows Air Canada to increase the number of smaller regional jets it operates to 60 76-seat planes. It could also let the airline find new regional partners and allow it to phase out its Embraer regional jets and Airbus narrowbodies in favour of a more competitive fleet, Mr. Doerksen said....
...Dave Legge, Air Canada senior vice-president of flight operations, held a web conference with the pilots Tuesday in which he said there were no plans to lay off pilots or to shrink the airline. Instead, the carrier plans to grow with its widebody fleet in the future, which he said will require additional hires...
...But Bombardier, on the other hand, could be in line to win new regional jet orders as a result of the changes, or even some orders for its new CSeries aircraft, he said.
...At the same time, phasing out the Embraers, coupled with the need to replace its smaller Airbus narrowbodies, would leave a significant gap in the airline’s fleet.
“The ideal aircraft to fill this gap could be Bombardier’s new CSeries, which between its two versions seats [110 to 145 passengers],” he said....
...Walter Spracklin, an RBC Capital Markets analyst, said the contract’s wage increases were in line with expectations. But he added that the pension reforms it contains, including moving new hires into a cheaper pension plan and reducing its funding obligations, will reduce its pension liability by more than $1-billion.
11-21-2012 | 06:24 AM
#36
Sho me da money!
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 947
Likes: 0
From: B25, Left
The federal mediator told our guys that Delta's scope disaster is now "industry standard".
So, yeah.....the DAL contract DOES affect the rest of the industry and it hurts our efforts to improve scope.
DAL continues to screw over the rest of the industry with their scope concessions. It's been going on for about 17 years now.
So, yeah.....the DAL contract DOES affect the rest of the industry and it hurts our efforts to improve scope.
DAL continues to screw over the rest of the industry with their scope concessions. It's been going on for about 17 years now.
That is the reality for DAL pilots, I hope you guys get the best deal possible so we can start openers from an even stronger position based on your industry leading contract. Best of luck and stick with the facts it will serve you and your group much better.
11-21-2012 | 07:57 AM
#37
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,144
Likes: 204
You should view it as reality, so stop chasing unicorns and use these facts to your advantage, which is reducing UAX feed. That's what DAL did, and that is what the UAL MECs are trying to do.
11-21-2012 | 10:23 AM
#40
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 521
Likes: 0
Oh hell no.... you have your own group to blame if your TA passes. You came over to our thread for weeks and bloviated your unsolicited opinion, and now it is YOUR turn. It matters not what the mediator thinks.. show some backbone. Let's see those big stones you talked so much about showing. Come on untied... Vote it down... Raise the bar. Show us all the way things are done. And as far as YOUR particular badmouthing of my company, you can .........
Note: This is not intended as any opinion of the TA as it pertains to the rest of the UCal group. You guys do what you think is best for you. This was solely aimed at the jackass that spent weeks interjecting his opinion into my group. I wish the rest of you luck.
Note: This is not intended as any opinion of the TA as it pertains to the rest of the UCal group. You guys do what you think is best for you. This was solely aimed at the jackass that spent weeks interjecting his opinion into my group. I wish the rest of you luck.
Our contract talks are overseen by what's called a "federal mediator". You need to educate yourself on the process. They DID put DAL's contract on the table and told us we were unreasonable to not accept the new "industry standard" that 60% of your brethren accepted so stupidly.
Delta has always led the charge in outsourced flying. Now they give DC-9 size aircraft to express and proudly proclaim how that HELPS the fight for scope!
I guess you couldn't say "well, we wanted a raise so bad we gave up jobs again."
You will see managements plan in the long run. For a couple years you will think the protections on block hours mean something, but those will be quickly retracted once management offers you a 3% raise next time.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
