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Old 11-22-2012 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by untied
Never said I was happy with the pay, but we match DAL's pay in December.
On January 1, 2013 DAL gets a raise and you wouldn't until 2014.
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Old 11-22-2012 | 12:59 PM
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That the RJ FO (trip7) even feels that he's the one to lecture UAL and L-CAL pilots on scope after the last 10 plus years is laughable in itself.
He's a RJ right seater (or he plays one on VATSIM). He knows everything.
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Old 11-22-2012 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
johnso: the 82 seat request from mgmt always intrigued me. It was stated to me by several different higher ups as well as a status rep that DL had NOT asked for more seats in the 76 seaters. Only when the uproar and sales job began did they change their story.

I'm still not sure what to believe.
Well, even if they didn't ask that would still make untied wrong.
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Old 11-22-2012 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Wow....you have no idea what you are talking about. Do yourself a big favor and attend a roadshow.
As a 5 year FO at ASA on the 200 with no discernible upgrade in sight please tell me why if you are so economically savvy and have all the answers towards airline protifabitlity and economics, why do you continue to do laps in the loser cruiser for 40k a year when you could get such a better job with your self appointed MBA
Your logic in this statement is perplexing. When I supported Obama during the election and used his points during online discussions does that mean I should run for POTUS? Telling a line pilot that their logic regarding scope is flawed is a far cry from me declaring that I can run an airline better than the present management.

Good find on the mainline RJs. A near bankrupt SAS and a very small LOT Polish Airlines which is basically an RJ operation with a handful of 737s and 767s(being replaced by 787) certainly is the definition of a trend in global legacy Airline economics
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Old 11-22-2012 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Well, even if they didn't ask that would still make untied wrong.
True... they arent 90 seat airplanes no matter how much he tries to make them. By that logic, the 744 is a 500+ seat airliner while we run them around with 370 or so.

Just because management can put more seats in them, doesn't mean they will. The "70" seat CRJs at DL are equipped with 65 seats... the airlines have realized the value of a premium product instead of packing as many seats as possible in the "RJs." (transcons are now regional flying if they are still RJs).

I still think that a viable economic argument could be made for the jumbo RJs at mainline, though... no matter how much steam our resident RJ know-it-all can blow out of his ears.

The only argument that I heard from our rep was that they didn't want them at mainline if it couldnt support a mainline pay rate. My bloodpressure still rises over that one.
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Old 11-22-2012 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
True... they arent 90 seat airplanes no matter how much he tries to make them. .
You need to go check out the manufacturers web site bud.

Advertised as a 90 seater.

If it makes you feel better to call it a 76 seater....go ahead and keep kidding yourself.

Did you hear about Bombardier's new slogan??

"The CRJ-900....Making outsourcing profitable again!"
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Old 11-22-2012 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by horrido27
So.. you don't believe that they will park 3 50 seat aircraft (150 seats) and replace them with 2 90 seaters [much more efficient] configured to 76 seats. (152 seats).
3 50 seat aircraft flying 10 hrs a day.. 30 hours.
2 76 seat aircraft flying 12 hrs a day.. 24 hours.

So, they have actually lowered their UAX block hours and increased their avail seats.

Why is our agreement tied to block hours vs. Delta's which (it seems.. hopefully a Delta guy can chime in here~) is tied into ASM/Seats.

Fact is, there is not one 90 seater configured to 76 seats flying, configured with a First Class, flying from Hub to Hub/other destinations, over 900nm away.. flying United Passenger as of right now.
This TA Passes, the above statement will no longer be true.
"United against Outsourcing"

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You are correct. But current book allows unlimited 70 seaters, which are also configured with a First Class, AND about 22% growth in block hours. This TA allows 76 seaters but only about 8% growth in block hours. AND the TA caps the 70+76 seaters (including the Qs) at 255 unless they buy mainline 100 seaters, no such cap under current book. I think it's better.

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Old 11-22-2012 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
johnso: the 82 seat request from mgmt always intrigued me. It was stated to me by several different higher ups as well as a status rep that DL had NOT asked for more seats in the 76 seaters. Only when the uproar and sales job began did they change their story.

I'm still not sure what to believe.
Not sure which status reps you asked, but the info I've received, from high ups, has been very consistent; the company was asking for 82 seats, ALPA made it clear that wasn't going to happen. The fact that the company wanted to "optimize" the airframe with greater than 76 seats, shouldn't be a surprise. Of course they did.
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Old 11-22-2012 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
Not sure which status reps you asked, but the info I've received, from high ups, has been very consistent; the company was asking for 82 seats, ALPA made it clear that wasn't going to happen. The fact that the company wanted to "optimize" the airframe with greater than 76 seats, shouldn't be a surprise. Of course they did.
The 82 seat story didn't start until after the sales job began.
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Old 11-22-2012 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
The 82 seat story didn't start until after the sales job began.
And exactly when was that? The company wanted to add seats, that should really come as no surprise to you.
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