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CALFO 11-20-2012 01:49 PM

Reserve work rules
 
I keep reading in multiple posts about how the JCBA reserve work rules are the same as CAL's current rules. I've read the JCBA and to me it doesn't look anything like CAL's with the exception that there is on movable day in each bid period. What am I missing here?

Coach67 11-21-2012 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1296378)
I keep reading in multiple posts about how the JCBA reserve work rules are the same as CAL's current rules. I've read the JCBA and to me it doesn't look anything like CAL's with the exception that there is on movable day in each bid period. What am I missing here?

Does CAL have unpaid Field Standbys or the requirement to check-in after your last leg for more flying or no limit on Short Calls, or the ability for CMS to ignore FIFO?

I'm not attacking you but these are just a very few of the reasons to vote "NO".

CALFO 11-21-2012 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Coach67 (Post 1296935)
Does CAL have unpaid Field Standbys or the requirement to check-in after your last leg for more flying or no limit on Short Calls, or the ability for CMS to ignore FIFO?

I'm not attacking you but these are just a very few of the reasons to vote "NO".

1. Unpaid field standby: Yes, currently in the CAL contract. Seldom, if ever, used. I understand that the new contract pays 4.03.

2. Check in after last leg: Yes, you can simply log into CCS and see if there is an assignment. If not, you're free to go.

3. CMS to ignore FIFO: CAL doesn't use FIFO, assignment is at Crew Scheduling discretion.

Coto Pilot 11-21-2012 03:42 PM

Isn't the 4:03 paid for each reserve day, not just field standby? I don't think there is a premium paid for having to drive to and sit at the airport. Under the new system as I read it, you can't just check your schedule, you have to call. What happens when nobody answers as is fairly common now? You can't go home? The people that wrote this haven't sat CAL reserve for a long time.

Mwindaji 11-21-2012 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1296970)
1. Unpaid field standby: Yes, currently in the CAL contract. Seldom, if ever, used. I understand that the new contract pays 4.03.

2. Check in after last leg: Yes, you can simply log into CCS and see if there is an assignment. If not, you're free to go.

3. CMS to ignore FIFO: CAL doesn't use FIFO, assignment is at Crew Scheduling discretion.

Could you please tell us where in the CAL contract it states that we have field standy? I even called crew scheduling and they were unaware of this.

Just to clearify there is not a requirment to call CAL crew scheduling after a pilot completes a trip/pairing. Kind of foolish if you do because you have now become a crew tracker. If they forget to call you, use a crew tracker (BTW gate agents are not crew trackers) or put in on your schedule after 15 min domestic/30 min international that is their problem.

One of the problems we have had concerning scheduling is that they are suppose to honor seniority. Sometimes they don't and that is because the have an out in sect 1 it what is called "retained managment rights". Glad to see that gone in this TA. However, IMO there are so many other reasons to vote no.

One question for the LUAL folks-- Is there any additional pay for special qualification airports (ie TGU, BOG,UIO,EGE, GUA, HNL)?

horrido27 11-21-2012 03:52 PM

Under the TA, you can be assigned two (2) Field Standby's before they have to pay you add pay.
Anyone wanna bet that every time there's a cloud in the sky, a couple of poor saps will get assigned FS. But also wanna bet that the company keeps good track of it some no one gets more than 2.. so they don't have to pay!

Also, just because you're doing FS and a trip comes avail doesn't mean you'll get it. It can be given to a Short Call.

Nice~

Mwindaji 11-21-2012 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Coto Pilot (Post 1297021)
The people that wrote this haven't sat CAL reserve for a long time.

Amen to that

CALFO 11-21-2012 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Mwindaji (Post 1297024)
Could you please tell us where in the CAL contract it states that we have field standy? I even called crew scheduling and they were unaware of this. ?

Straight from Contract '02:


O. Should operations require, a Reserve Pilot may be used for “Airport Standby” duty.
1. The Duty Period as an Airport Standby is limited to five (5) hours. An assigned Trip Pairing must have a scheduled departure within that period. If no scheduled departure is assigned within the five (5) hour period, the pilot must be released for at least the length of a Base Rest Period.
2. The five (5) hour Duty Period for a pilot on Airport Standby begins at Report Time.

CALFO 11-21-2012 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 1297026)
Under the TA, you can be assigned two (2) Field Standby's before they have to pay you add pay.
Anyone wanna bet that every time there's a cloud in the sky, a couple of poor saps will get assigned FS. But also wanna bet that the company keeps good track of it some no one gets more than 2.. so they don't have to pay!

Also, just because you're doing FS and a trip comes avail doesn't mean you'll get it. It can be given to a Short Call.

Nice~

CAL has had this since C'02. The reason that most people aren't aware of it is because it is rarely used. It is not the company's advantage to use it unless the airline is overstaffed. Why limit your short reserves to only 5 hours?

Mwindaji 11-21-2012 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 1297046)
Straight from Contract '02:


O. Should operations require, a Reserve Pilot may be used for “Airport Standby” duty.
1. The Duty Period as an Airport Standby is limited to five (5) hours. An assigned Trip Pairing must have a scheduled departure within that period. If no scheduled departure is assigned within the five (5) hour period, the pilot must be released for at least the length of a Base Rest Period.
2. The five (5) hour Duty Period for a pilot on Airport Standby begins at Report Time.


Wow! I missed that one.


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