When will you ever have more leverage,VOTE NO
12-03-2012 | 07:11 AM
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12-03-2012 | 07:19 AM
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12-03-2012 | 07:22 AM
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Do we want to talk about the unlimited ability to start domestic code shares?
12-03-2012 | 07:23 AM
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There is exactly one work rule that is worse. Involuntary Junior Manning. The chance that it actually happens, let alone actually happens to you, and you are too dim witted to refuse and think of a viable excuse by the time a flight manager calls you is very slim.
Scope? Are you kidding me? Have you even read it? You'd rather stay under s-CAL scope or s-UAL scope?
Allow me to summarize the current scope WRT regional jets.
CAL - UNLIMITED BLOCK HOURS to be flown by RJ's. UNLIMITED! Think about that for a moment. An RJ formula that beginning in 2005 allows the company to fly 3 more RJ's for every narrow body airplane and 5 more for every wide body airplane. NO HARD CAP ON NUMBER OF RJ's. NONE!
UAL - UNLIMITED RJ's. Limited only by 100% of SYSTEM WIDE block hours. Narrow body hours, wide body hours, domestic hours, international hours, if mainline buys a fleet of C-172's and flies them, then Express can match them hour for hour.
Go ahead and vote your angry NO then crawl back under your self righteous rock.
Scope? Are you kidding me? Have you even read it? You'd rather stay under s-CAL scope or s-UAL scope?
Allow me to summarize the current scope WRT regional jets.
CAL - UNLIMITED BLOCK HOURS to be flown by RJ's. UNLIMITED! Think about that for a moment. An RJ formula that beginning in 2005 allows the company to fly 3 more RJ's for every narrow body airplane and 5 more for every wide body airplane. NO HARD CAP ON NUMBER OF RJ's. NONE!
UAL - UNLIMITED RJ's. Limited only by 100% of SYSTEM WIDE block hours. Narrow body hours, wide body hours, domestic hours, international hours, if mainline buys a fleet of C-172's and flies them, then Express can match them hour for hour.
Go ahead and vote your angry NO then crawl back under your self righteous rock.
Pontificate if you will about the dreaded Q400s but there are currently 14 in UAX service with a total of 32 being slowly brought online from Colgan and Lynx to RAH.
12-03-2012 | 07:28 AM
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12-03-2012 | 08:05 AM
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What did Bethune publicly say back in C97. He had plenty more ready to offer to the pilots. He was even publicly quoted saying he couldn't believe the pilots voted in the first offer. The company would never come to the table without a backup offer.Don't sell out,go back to the negotiating table and set the bar higher.
The company is using scare tactics to get this thing through.They need this to be over with as soon as possible and will come back to the table to make it work. You can't ask for any more leverage.
The company is using scare tactics to get this thing through.They need this to be over with as soon as possible and will come back to the table to make it work. You can't ask for any more leverage.
Here's a social media dialogue I had with Mr. Bethune a while back. Of course, I know I'm stirring a hornet's nest by challenging one of the Continental pilots' most cherished urban myths. Hammer away at me personally, if you wish. But, can you furnish that link?
12-03-2012 | 08:17 AM
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There is exactly one work rule that is worse. Involuntary Junior Manning. The chance that it actually happens, let alone actually happens to you, and you are too dim witted to refuse and think of a viable excuse by the time a flight manager calls you is very slim.
Scope? Are you kidding me? Have you even read it? You'd rather stay under s-CAL scope or s-UAL scope?
Allow me to summarize the current scope WRT regional jets.
CAL - UNLIMITED BLOCK HOURS to be flown by RJ's. UNLIMITED! Think about that for a moment. An RJ formula that beginning in 2005 allows the company to fly 3 more RJ's for every narrow body airplane and 5 more for every wide body airplane. NO HARD CAP ON NUMBER OF RJ's. NONE!
UAL - UNLIMITED RJ's. Limited only by 100% of SYSTEM WIDE block hours. Narrow body hours, wide body hours, domestic hours, international hours, if mainline buys a fleet of C-172's and flies them, then Express can match them hour for hour.
Go ahead and vote your angry NO then crawl back under your self righteous rock.
Scope? Are you kidding me? Have you even read it? You'd rather stay under s-CAL scope or s-UAL scope?
Allow me to summarize the current scope WRT regional jets.
CAL - UNLIMITED BLOCK HOURS to be flown by RJ's. UNLIMITED! Think about that for a moment. An RJ formula that beginning in 2005 allows the company to fly 3 more RJ's for every narrow body airplane and 5 more for every wide body airplane. NO HARD CAP ON NUMBER OF RJ's. NONE!
UAL - UNLIMITED RJ's. Limited only by 100% of SYSTEM WIDE block hours. Narrow body hours, wide body hours, domestic hours, international hours, if mainline buys a fleet of C-172's and flies them, then Express can match them hour for hour.
Go ahead and vote your angry NO then crawl back under your self righteous rock.
I hope you realize that with this contract you will see almost none of ALPAs highlights for 9-18 months. That's right, half of what they are saying is so great wont kick in for a long time. So you will have to suffer under a significantly sub par contract for a large portion of the 4 years, great deal.
12-03-2012 | 08:27 AM
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From: B-737 Captain, IAH
That went away with the I.T. changeover to the UA code. Since no United flights use the CO code these days, the most cherished aspect of the CAL scope clause has gone away. There is no 50-seat limitation on jets. There never was one on large turboprops.
United is now constrained only by the 70-seat jet clause in the legacy UA contract, one that allows an unlimited number of such jets, constrained only by a block hour (one to one) ratio between UAX and all mainline flying.
The most attractive feature of CAL's scope clause is no longer applicable.
