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11-27-2012, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
False. A pilot's longevity will never decrease. A furloughed pilot with more than 4.7 years of active service will not be adjusted down to 4.7 years of credit. They do not lose longevity. Period.
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again, from the FAQs:
The pre-SLI bump is just an interim step. It takes you up to 5/6/08 pay longevity (only up, your longevity is NEVER decreased). Then, at SLI we will add all the furlough longevity we can, but not so much as would take you past the next senior CAL pilot. That might be zero, but in no case would a UA pilot's longevity be reduced, ever.
Sled
again, from the FAQs:
The pre-SLI bump is just an interim step. It takes you up to 5/6/08 pay longevity (only up, your longevity is NEVER decreased). Then, at SLI we will add all the furlough longevity we can, but not so much as would take you past the next senior CAL pilot. That might be zero, but in no case would a UA pilot's longevity be reduced, ever.
His total (active plus inactive) will never be reduced. However, his pay longevity credit may be less, depending upon the pay longevity credit of the next most senior sCAL pilot on the ISL. I think we're saying the same thing.
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11-27-2012, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
You are correct (read the edit). However, a sUAL "was" or "is" furloughed pilot will never receive more pay longevity credit than the next most senior sCAL pilot on the ISL, even if his total (active plus inactive) is greater.
His total (active plus inactive) will never be reduced. However, his pay longevity credit may be less. I think we're saying the same thing.
His total (active plus inactive) will never be reduced. However, his pay longevity credit may be less. I think we're saying the same thing.
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11-27-2012, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
I never said active + inactive. All I am saying is that IF a pilot has 7 years of active service at UAL, AND he has been furloughed, he will not be adjusted to 4.7 years of longevity for pay at DOS, and he will not receive less than 7 years longevity for pay after SLI, even if the next senior CAL pilot above him has less than 7 years longevity for pay. The after SLI adjustment is to add additonal credit for "time spent on furlough". It cannot take away his active service.
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11-27-2012, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA
You are correct. Nothing takes away active service credit. Those below 4.7 years are adjusted up to 4.7 years, those over do not lose what active service credit they have.
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11-27-2012, 08:08 AM
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I still don't think you get it. I will not go to seven or eight year pay upon signing. I will go to five year pay even though a CAL guy hired on the same day will go to 12 year pay. Five year pay under the new contract is higher than seven year pay under the United contract so I will get an increase, it just won't be that same as everybody else at the company. I am currently paid at seven years longevity, I will drop down to five years to keep me below the most junior CAL pilot who was hired eight years after me.
11-27-2012, 08:29 AM
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Need to ask a question to make sure I understand this.
I am on 6th yr pay, and have 5 yrs and 1 month Active time.
Never Furloughed.
So.. lets say (hypothetically), the UAL Furloughs are put behind the last Active (not the CAL 147) Pilot.
Would there be pilots who are below me (Ex UAL Furloughs) who are paid higher longevity or not?
Me.. I'm fine with that and actually expected that to happen.
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I am on 6th yr pay, and have 5 yrs and 1 month Active time.
Never Furloughed.
So.. lets say (hypothetically), the UAL Furloughs are put behind the last Active (not the CAL 147) Pilot.
Would there be pilots who are below me (Ex UAL Furloughs) who are paid higher longevity or not?
Me.. I'm fine with that and actually expected that to happen.
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11-27-2012, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by horrido27
Need to ask a question to make sure I understand this.
I am on 6th yr pay, and have 5 yrs and 1 month Active time.
Never Furloughed.
So.. lets say (hypothetically), the UAL Furloughs are put behind the last Active (not the CAL 147) Pilot.
Would there be pilots who are below me (Ex UAL Furloughs) who are paid higher longevity or not?
Me.. I'm fine with that and actually expected that to happen.
Motch
I am on 6th yr pay, and have 5 yrs and 1 month Active time.
Never Furloughed.
So.. lets say (hypothetically), the UAL Furloughs are put behind the last Active (not the CAL 147) Pilot.
Would there be pilots who are below me (Ex UAL Furloughs) who are paid higher longevity or not?
Me.. I'm fine with that and actually expected that to happen.
Motch
Regardless the answer, no pilot will lose whatever active service credit he or she may have and those below 4.7 years active service credit and "is' or "was" on furlough, will be adjusted to 4.7 on signing.
The next part seems to be where there is a lot of confusion. After ISL, those pilots who were or are on furlough will receive all of their active service credit (min 4.7) and pay for longevity credit for time on furlough, not to exceed the pay for longevity credit of the next most senior sCAL pilot on the new ISL.
Taken another way and more simple, with the exception of the 4.7 upward adjustment on signing, pay for longevity credit for time on furlough is being taken out of ISL deliberations. It is being added back in after ISL determination, not to exceed the pay for longevity credit of the next most senior ex sCAL pilot on the new ISL.
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11-27-2012, 10:26 AM
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Loa 25 costs me between $6-$7k until SLI. That is straight pay, not including b fund. I am on 8 yr UAL pay 88ph...I go to 5 yr at signing and then to 8 or 9 yr pay after SLI. No one has been able to confirm that my time here on the CAL side will count or not.
11-27-2012, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by tkhayes90
Loa 25 costs me between $6-$7k until SLI. That is straight pay, not including b fund. I am on 8 yr UAL pay 88ph...I go to 5 yr at signing and then to 8 or 9 yr pay after SLI. No one has been able to confirm that my time here on the CAL side will count or not.
11-27-2012, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Coto Pilot
I still don't think you get it. I will not go to seven or eight year pay upon signing. I will go to five year pay even though a CAL guy hired on the same day will go to 12 year pay. Five year pay under the new contract is higher than seven year pay under the United contract so I will get an increase, it just won't be that same as everybody else at the company. I am currently paid at seven years longevity, I will drop down to five years to keep me below the most junior CAL pilot who was hired eight years after me.
I don't know why it's so hard for some to understand this.
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