CAL/UAL hiring info
12-27-2012, 01:46 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by liquid
Ummm not sure where in the system you fly but this has already happened in ORD and DEN. And on the flip side, IAH.....
SFO is special because??
If you haven't heard we're on the track for an ISL in which case the "flying" belongs to ALL of us.
12-27-2012, 01:48 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer
They had talked about doing IAD as a 737 base at the same time. I inquired about this 2 weeks ago and Gary Waggoner claimed it was 12-24 months away...post-SLI.
12-27-2012, 04:44 PM
#23
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Uhhhh...you have not been a west coast pilot.
We had Shuttle which was an airline within an airline--and stopped Southwest dead in their tracks. That has never been done before. Shuttle did make money, but where it really shined was feed to mainline and international. It suffered greatly on 9-11 and was eventually shut down to be reborn again in a failed attempt to still compete.
Bottom line is that UAL has always owned California and the west coast NS operation---until Glenn parked the guppies. That had a devestating effect on everyone from LAX to SEA, more so than ORD, DEN, or IAD.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
We had Shuttle which was an airline within an airline--and stopped Southwest dead in their tracks. That has never been done before. Shuttle did make money, but where it really shined was feed to mainline and international. It suffered greatly on 9-11 and was eventually shut down to be reborn again in a failed attempt to still compete.
Bottom line is that UAL has always owned California and the west coast NS operation---until Glenn parked the guppies. That had a devestating effect on everyone from LAX to SEA, more so than ORD, DEN, or IAD.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
12-27-2012, 06:00 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Uhhhh...you have not been a west coast pilot.
We had Shuttle which was an airline within an airline--and stopped Southwest dead in their tracks. That has never been done before. Shuttle did make money, but where it really shined was feed to mainline and international. It suffered greatly on 9-11 and was eventually shut down to be reborn again in a failed attempt to still compete.
Bottom line is that UAL has always owned California and the west coast NS operation---until Glenn parked the guppies. That had a devestating effect on everyone from LAX to SEA, more so than ORD, DEN, or IAD.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
We had Shuttle which was an airline within an airline--and stopped Southwest dead in their tracks. That has never been done before. Shuttle did make money, but where it really shined was feed to mainline and international. It suffered greatly on 9-11 and was eventually shut down to be reborn again in a failed attempt to still compete.
Bottom line is that UAL has always owned California and the west coast NS operation---until Glenn parked the guppies. That had a devestating effect on everyone from LAX to SEA, more so than ORD, DEN, or IAD.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
For the millionth time, CAL does not have 5 year Captains. The most junior Captains are early to mid 2005 hires. Thats 7+ years.
I am guessing your a DOH fist pounder.
The introduction of a320 and 767 to both EWR and IAH have had no effect on the pilots in those bases?? How about the 777 doing flying out of the CAL hubs?? Time to look outside your "west coast" bubble....
UCH will move aircraft where those airframes make money. period.
12-27-2012, 06:11 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Uhhhh...you have not been a west coast pilot.
We had Shuttle which was an airline within an airline--and stopped Southwest dead in their tracks. That has never been done before. Shuttle did make money, but where it really shined was feed to mainline and international. It suffered greatly on 9-11 and was eventually shut down to be reborn again in a failed attempt to still compete.
Bottom line is that UAL has always owned California and the west coast NS operation---until Glenn parked the guppies. That had a devestating effect on everyone from LAX to SEA, more so than ORD, DEN, or IAD.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
We had Shuttle which was an airline within an airline--and stopped Southwest dead in their tracks. That has never been done before. Shuttle did make money, but where it really shined was feed to mainline and international. It suffered greatly on 9-11 and was eventually shut down to be reborn again in a failed attempt to still compete.
Bottom line is that UAL has always owned California and the west coast NS operation---until Glenn parked the guppies. That had a devestating effect on everyone from LAX to SEA, more so than ORD, DEN, or IAD.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
It couldn't have been that much of a insult. 67% of UAL and CAL pilots voted for this contract, which HAD NO PROVISIONS FOR RECALL OR SHIFTING OF FLYING. You accepted this contract and now your mad because mgmt has the audacity to move aircraft around? To your bases? Taking your flying? Hey, don't worry. We will fix this in the next contract.
12-28-2012, 06:25 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Uhhhh...you have not been a west coast pilot.
We had Shuttle which was an airline within an airline--and stopped Southwest dead in their tracks. That has never been done before. Shuttle did make money, but where it really shined was feed to mainline and international. It suffered greatly on 9-11 and was eventually shut down to be reborn again in a failed attempt to still compete.
Bottom line is that UAL has always owned California and the west coast NS operation---until Glenn parked the guppies. That had a devestating effect on everyone from LAX to SEA, more so than ORD, DEN, or IAD.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
We had Shuttle which was an airline within an airline--and stopped Southwest dead in their tracks. That has never been done before. Shuttle did make money, but where it really shined was feed to mainline and international. It suffered greatly on 9-11 and was eventually shut down to be reborn again in a failed attempt to still compete.
Bottom line is that UAL has always owned California and the west coast NS operation---until Glenn parked the guppies. That had a devestating effect on everyone from LAX to SEA, more so than ORD, DEN, or IAD.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
Alas, I, along with several hundred pilots were displaced after the infamous 881R bid which started the pulldown from DEN which eventually (94) resulted in closing the DEN base. This was largely as a result of the United TORQUE program, aimed at driving CO out of Denver (and hopefully out of business).
So you see, Skippy, you don't own any of the flying. The company will put frames where they'll make a buck and your whining aint going to make a whit of difference!
12-28-2012, 06:56 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
Uhhhh...you have not been a west coast pilot.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
To bring back guppies into SFO after the insult from Glenn would be the absolute denigration and should never be contemplated until SLI is done. If CO were to open SFO to guppie captain, many of our junior 320 F/O's were actually 737 captains. To see 5 year hires fly their vacancy--and keep it, out of seniority, with fences, would be a further insult.
So, yes, the west coast is different from ORD and IAD.
Secondly, your not gonna like the latest rumor is that there will be a 75 west coast bid on the January CAL system bid.
12-28-2012, 07:47 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by liquid
uhhhh almost every trip I do goes up and down the west coast, but you're right I am not a "west coast" pilot. Is there a special check out for that?
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