JCBA does anybody else find it criminal.....
12-21-2012 | 03:45 PM
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12-21-2012 | 04:27 PM
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GENTLEMEN!
Being offered a job at L-CAL is NOT a RECALL! Of course this should be plainly obvious to the average airline pilot with slightest bit of knowledge about how things work in the industry. It has nothing to do with a "reviled" position at L-CAL, taking that job is called being stapled with a pay benefit.
Recalled is when you are recalled to your righteous position in the seniority list not starting over at the bottom. We've got several hundred voluntary furloughs some of whom took the L-CAL job, some of whom were holding senior positions as widebody captains. They are either still out on the street or pulling gear as reserve F/O's now. When they get RECALLED they come back to their previous positions. Is this really that difficult to figure out?
Being offered a job at L-CAL is NOT a RECALL! Of course this should be plainly obvious to the average airline pilot with slightest bit of knowledge about how things work in the industry. It has nothing to do with a "reviled" position at L-CAL, taking that job is called being stapled with a pay benefit.
Recalled is when you are recalled to your righteous position in the seniority list not starting over at the bottom. We've got several hundred voluntary furloughs some of whom took the L-CAL job, some of whom were holding senior positions as widebody captains. They are either still out on the street or pulling gear as reserve F/O's now. When they get RECALLED they come back to their previous positions. Is this really that difficult to figure out?
12-21-2012 | 04:36 PM
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It should also be plainly obvious to the average airline pilot with the slightest bit of knowledge about the TPA that this is exactly how it works until the SLI process is complete.
Thanks for your support in helping right the inequities that are befalling your fellow pilots.
Unity brother...........
12-21-2012 | 04:56 PM
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How can it not be painfully obvious that mgt will operate as cheaply as possible. That means all new guys will go to the CAL side as long as we don't have an SLI. We still are the cheaper group until the work rules are fully implemented.
You guys need to realize it may say UNITED on the side, but its all CAL management running the show in pilot recruiting. Recalls to the LUAL side IMHO are done forever. Recalls will be to the merged airline after SLI.
You guys need to realize it may say UNITED on the side, but its all CAL management running the show in pilot recruiting. Recalls to the LUAL side IMHO are done forever. Recalls will be to the merged airline after SLI.
12-21-2012 | 04:57 PM
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It's got nothing to do with support or unity. It's just the way it works. Save your indignation for something you can do something about. Kinda like this contract...
12-21-2012 | 05:16 PM
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Yes they have...to a position at CAL that has been made clear will not account longevity for SLI purposes. Nice one.
12-21-2012 | 05:28 PM
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So lets say you do everything right and are fortunate enough to be brought on as a new hire before the ISL is complete. Is there going to be some stigma hanging over street hires for being on property before the L-UAL furloughees? It's been made clear through the application process that if hired, you're junior to everyone and will probably be on the bottom for a while.
Not trying to put the cart in front of the horse, but I'm curious what kind of work environment prospective new hires can look forward to. I get that relations with management aren't so great, but it'd be nice to avoid shifty glances from fellow pilots.
Not trying to put the cart in front of the horse, but I'm curious what kind of work environment prospective new hires can look forward to. I get that relations with management aren't so great, but it'd be nice to avoid shifty glances from fellow pilots.
12-21-2012 | 05:49 PM
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So lets say you do everything right and are fortunate enough to be brought on as a new hire before the ISL is complete. Is there going to be some stigma hanging over street hires for being on property before the L-UAL furloughees? It's been made clear through the application process that if hired, you're junior to everyone and will probably be on the bottom for a while.
Not trying to put the cart in front of the horse, but I'm curious what kind of work environment prospective new hires can look forward to. I get that relations with management aren't so great, but it'd be nice to avoid shifty glances from fellow pilots.
Not trying to put the cart in front of the horse, but I'm curious what kind of work environment prospective new hires can look forward to. I get that relations with management aren't so great, but it'd be nice to avoid shifty glances from fellow pilots.
It's a non-factor if you ask me. No stigma whatsoever. Once the SLI is done, many of these issues will go away. I'm curious how soon we will be able to bid across previous s-cal / s-UAL divide.
12-21-2012 | 05:54 PM
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So lets say you do everything right and are fortunate enough to be brought on as a new hire before the ISL is complete. Is there going to be some stigma hanging over street hires for being on property before the L-UAL furloughees? It's been made clear through the application process that if hired, you're junior to everyone and will probably be on the bottom for a while.
Not trying to put the cart in front of the horse, but I'm curious what kind of work environment prospective new hires can look forward to. I get that relations with management aren't so great, but it'd be nice to avoid shifty glances from fellow pilots.
Not trying to put the cart in front of the horse, but I'm curious what kind of work environment prospective new hires can look forward to. I get that relations with management aren't so great, but it'd be nice to avoid shifty glances from fellow pilots.
12-21-2012 | 05:54 PM
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You want furloughs recalled just like the rest of us do but we had a chance to fix with this contract and the best they could come up with was LOA25. I suggest you start with the 67% that voted yes and question their unity.
Unless you know of some other way..........
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