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Old 01-12-2013, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by David Watts View Post

I believe the L-UAL reserve pays 72 hours now so it is an extra hour than they are getting now.
L-UAL was 70 hours for reserve that included short and long call assignments.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:52 PM
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You got more than planned, due to the WH picket by UAL pilots...

you don't get what you deserve, you get whatever you can negotiate in the current political and economic climate......

it's all about politics.... not a pilots own Narcissus image....
Keep telling yourself that, it makes rolling over easier.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:58 AM
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Keep telling yourself that, it makes rolling over easier.
A No voter.... tell APC... what were reasonable expectations, a timeline, and approximate return on investment for voting no..... here's your chance to create regret for those of us that voted yes.....
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by David Watts View Post
This is not true. If you get 73 hours on reserve it is a long call line (13 hour call out vs. the 10 hours now) Now it pays you 72 hours on long call, so you get an extra hour of pay. If you bid a short call line and get one you will be paid 76 hour just like you are today. But you have 3.5 hours to push vs 3 hours today.

I believe the L-UAL reserve pays 72 hours now so it is an extra hour than they are getting now.

So when you rant about the "awful" contract at least put some facts into your argument.
Not that I was happy with the contract but it is in place now and I'm just looking forward. It's over and done with.

That being said at least another positive out of the contract is the minimum 5 hours per day. Now on reserve if you are flown 15 days during the month you will automatically get paid above guarantee. Hopefully that will do away with reserves flying all those low-time unproductive trips in open-time for barely guarantee pay.
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You sure about that sport? Can you provide a contract reference that backs that up?

I certainly hope so, but I am skeptronic.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmako View Post
I certainly hope so, but I am skeptronic.
Looks like James has gone more Skepto-delic....
.....via the pic.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by EWRflyr
That being said at least another positive out of the contract is the minimum 5 hours per day. Now on reserve if you are flown 15 days during the month you will automatically get paid above guarantee. Hopefully that will do away with reserves flying all those low-time unproductive trips in open-time for barely guarantee pay.
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You sure about that sport? Can you provide a contract reference that backs that up?

I certainly hope so, but I am skeptronic.
See Section 5-G of the contract where it talks about minimum pay values that apply to trips. These apply to all pilots since they apply to "trips" and not lineholders vs. reserves. In addition, this provision was pointed out in the TA education literature distributed by the union. Examples were made at the TA roadshow about this provision and it was specifically stated that now a reserve who is used for all 18 days of reserve (can you say under-staffed summer again??) will get a minimum of 90 hours of pay.

LOA 26 states that Section 5-G-1 (1:2 rig), 5-G-2 (M5D) and 5-G-5 will go into effect for the third full bid period after DOS (i.e. March). M5D will initially be pay only per the LOA until the September bid period where the rig is applied (I think for credit/line building....err, monthly preferencing purposes in PBS).

If in doubt about what I've said call the union. It has been stated on more than one occasion that M5D applies to all trips for all pilots. Don't think there's any reason to be skeptalytical.
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Old 01-14-2013, 07:40 AM
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You only have to wait until September to see the 5hr/day applied.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:31 AM
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EWRflyr,

Thanks for the info. I was looking for something more monochromatic. I guess in my skepto-psychedelic state I couldn't see it. Too much bubonic chronic perhaps. Plus, I don't trust the company an inch to offer up something to the reserves that they aren't contractually required to. If this is absolute it will make being on reserve much more palatable. I have flown many 18 day months without ever breaking guarantee.
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Originally Posted by oldmako View Post
EWRflyr,

Thanks for the info. I was looking for something more monochromatic. I guess in my skepto-psychedelic state I couldn't see it. Too much bubonic chronic perhaps. Plus, I don't trust the company an inch to offer up something to the reserves that they aren't contractually required to. If this is absolute it will make being on reserve much more palatable. I have flown many 18 day months without ever breaking guarantee.
Right on, man. I hear what you are laying down. This will give you some extra cabbage for your chronic situation.
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