Your complaining about not getting a steak dinner, jewelry box and a picture frame? Are you a woman? Did you put out at the end of the night? Did he call you the next day?

Best laugh of the day!

BTW, while the L-UAL guys have had their jewelry boxes with wings, or whatever, the L-CAL pilots have had W2. Remind me again which one works best when paying for a child's college.

That is an unfortunate fact. And this is coming from the CAL side, been that way as long as I've been here. Every one wants to talk smack, but when it is time to enforce the contract, no matter how lame it is, they all roll up and say "that's ALPA's job":rolleyes:

You have been there for 25 plus years? I assume you have seen your share of low w2 forms.

I have been surprised at the lack of success the UAL group has had against CAL management and it concerns me that when UAL pilots assume full control of the union it will be business as usual. While there's been much saber rattling, everything from CBTs to DIY new checklist training to Phase training (up to Phase 6 now) to pay issues, etc, it's all mostly been done on the company's terms. The blastmails from the committees, LECs, and MEC have basically been "complain, complain, comply." Then there's the JCBA. I certainly wish them the best when they're in charge of the whole thing, but it hasn't been overly impressive so far.

no, I wasn't complaining. I was comparing the difference between being respected as a pilot at one company and being managements gimp at another.


A United W2.

Spot on apc, lots of talk.

Nothing shows respect towards pilots like dumping their pensions and outsourcing the 70seaters. Sounds like it was a date after all, you got the steak, jewelry and picture frame and the company rear ended you at the end of the night.

Contact Capt. Dalton, JFKFO for a first hand version.

And, I'm glad to hear the CAL brothers are fighting the seat conflict, but that doesn't change the "tenor" of the issue or the response of Capt. Bowers to be so impolitic nor the glaring misread of the contract that will most certainly be found largely in favor of ALPA once the issue of a "no showing" cabin passenger is resolved. There is a HUGE difference between assigning the business-first seat after all coach is sold out versus the issue of MOVING a business-first customer after coach sold out and then someone in coach no showed. I'm no lawyer, but I am sure the negotiators did not mean "the last seat assigned in business-first" over the last seat assigned on a full airplane, full in coach and business.



If these stories are stepping on the toes of CAL pilots, then please accept my apologies. It was not my intent to put anybody down, but rather to say that we can and should stand up for our contractual rights ALWAYS. Contrary to remarks above, it has been my experience that VERY few UAL pilots will EVER waive contractual rights. In fact, in my first week at UAL at a meeting in ORD with several hundred pilots, I made some inane remark in public based on my commuter experience about "going the extra mile for a great company" and I was soundly put down by several pilots who explained how it was NEVER ok to waive our hard fought contractual rights and since that time I can not count the dozens of times when I have expensed cabs, walked to a new hotel, refused an assignment, and sat while watching a plane pull away without me or the captain because our proper dead-head seats were not made available. I just had a sense that that culture is less prevalent at CAL and I hope we can agree that IF the UAL culture proves to be "tougher" that the CAL brethren will look at that as a positive and not a negative.

Very much a positive and I think we all hope it goes that way. SLI will be done soon enough, a single MEC follows, and best of luck.