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AxlF16 04-15-2013 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1391469)
And NONE of the above matters. The contract came in December 2012 and the Merger Acquisiton Date was in 2010. When CAL 2007 hires had 3 years longevity and everyone on the UAL list had more.

I was answering a question about why I voted YES. I agree with you about the relevance to the SLI process.

Flytolive 04-15-2013 11:00 AM

2010 UCH Financials
UAL: $4.7B cash/equivalents, 1.629B cash flow
CAL: $3.4B cash/equivalents, 852M cash flow

Form 10-K

A320 04-15-2013 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 1391603)
2010 UCH Financials
UAL: $4.7B cash/equivalents, 1.629B cash flow
CAL: $3.4B cash/equivalents, 852M cash flow

Form 10-K

Wow. I didn't realize that LUAL was in such bad shape compared to LCAL before the merger.

LAX Pilot 04-15-2013 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by A320 (Post 1391753)
Wow. I didn't realize that LUAL was in such bad shape compared to LCAL before the merger.

The cash United had was going to go bad and rot away, so we can't really count it. Plus the cash flow wasn't going to happen forever and CALs was just going to triple in a couple years.

APC225 04-15-2013 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 1391603)
2010 UCH Financials
UAL: $4.7B cash/equivalents, 1.629B cash flow
CAL: $3.4B cash/equivalents, 852M cash flow

Form 10-K

And Dec 2009?

LAX Pilot 04-15-2013 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1391770)
And Dec 2009?

Doesn't matter. 2010 was the Snapshot for longevity, financials, etc.

APC225 04-15-2013 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1391788)
Doesn't matter. 2010 was the Snapshot for longevity, financials, etc.

It does matter. A lot. By the end of 2010 the creditor wolves had been fended off by the promise of CAL passenger service and CAL management righting a sinking ship (note, the latest 14th out of 14 shows how wrong that notion was). The end of 2009 would more accurately show the health of each company, independently, before merger announcement. BTW, I don't know what it would show, but whatever it shows it would be pre-merger therefore more constructive for the health-of-company-equates-to-career-expectations issue.

Olecal 04-15-2013 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by LAX Pilot (Post 1391788)
Doesn't matter. 2010 was the Snapshot for longevity, financials, etc.

Are you sure about that? What facts do you have to back that up?

Flytolive 04-15-2013 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1391860)
And 2009?

It does matter. A lot. By the end of 2010 the creditor wolves had been fended off by the promise of CAL passenger service and CAL management righting a sinking ship (note, the latest 14th out of 14 shows how wrong that notion was). The end of 2009 would more accurately show the health of each company, independently, before merger announcement. BTW, I don't know what it would show, but whatever it shows it would be pre-merger therefore more constructive for the health-of-company-equates-to-career-expectations issue.

2009 Financials
UAL: cash/equivalents $3.036B, $1.003B cash flow
CAL: cash/equivalents $2.546B, $381M cash flow

Form 10-K pp. 88, 93

ChrisJT6 04-15-2013 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 1391860)
It does matter. A lot. By the end of 2010 the creditor wolves had been fended off by the promise of CAL passenger service and CAL management righting a sinking ship (note, the latest 14th out of 14 shows how wrong that notion was). The end of 2009 would more accurately show the health of each company, independently, before merger announcement. BTW, I don't know what it would show, but whatever it shows it would be pre-merger therefore more constructive for the health-of-company-equates-to-career-expectations issue.

Seems like every time you post half cocked financial inaccuracies you are getting corrected by Flytolive...isn't that embarrassing for you?


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