Unity
#21
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: 737 Cap
Posts: 451
I just think it's pretty sad when a pilot, regardless of who they fly for, doesn't have the common courtesy to say hello or acknowledge the other pilot. Last week in LAX, my FO and I were walking down a very narrow corridor and a UAL pilot was walking in the opposite direction. It was impossible for them to not see us as they had to move to the side as we passed...... I said "hello United Captain" as they passed. I stopped and turned around to see their reaction. They stopped, looked at me, and gave me a "go to hell" look. Wow....very "unifying" and professional. So, who is the enemy here? Hurt my feelings? Nope, just think it's a strange way of supporting each other since we ARE on the same team, believe it or not.
BTW, I've got the beers when we fly together regardless of which seat I'm in, I just wish that the "opening offer" was a more reasonable one. We'll see how the UAL proposal looks soon enough. With 25 years to go, I cannot afford for the resolution to be unfair to anyone. We need this to work.
#22
Remember, not one line pilot had any thing to do with the SLI. Never did, never will. We are informed on the process/progress as you are. Taking it out on the pilots that had nothing to do or say about is ________. I'll let you fill in the blank.
#23
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Position: 737 Cap
Posts: 451
Your MEC has made choices. By default, you own them. At every single stage of this process (3+ years), CAL and UAL pilots have had the opportunity to make changes towards unity. To simply throw your arms up in "disbelief" at the result means nothing. Your leadership (and mine!) is a direct result of either action or inaction. Regardless, silent opposition does nothing.
On the quote above, I agree. I always acknowledge crews from all realms be it UCH, regionals, other airlines etc... as I understand that they're just doing their jobs. I also understand why others might not...
#24
A little simplistic. That's like blaming democrats for Bush or republicans for Obama. Just because someone is voted in doesn't mean I voted for them or agree with them. Sure, Obama is my president and so Is Jay Pierce. I didn't vote for them. I have a new contract I voted "no" for too.
#25
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A little simplistic. That's like blaming democrats for Bush or republicans for Obama. Just because someone is voted in doesn't mean I voted for them or agree with them. Sure, Obama is my president and so Is Jay Pierce. I didn't vote for them. I have a new contract I voted "no" for too.
Scott
#26
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 341
Understood. I now have a contract I voted "no" for too. I'm just trying to get through to the CAL side just how egregious the CAL proposal was to our side. I also need to make clear just how offensive JP's actions during the JCBA have been. No one in CALPA has done any bridge building, yet you want it to start now after the CAL proposal? You, again by default, actually advocated stapling the bottom several thousand UAL pilots. I have not seen anyone from the CAL side saying wait, what? Why is that?
Scott
Scott
#27
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
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Posts: 422
...The silence of the CAL guys isn't so much that they Agree or Disagree with ISL proposal, it's just that (they) realize it's part of the game!! I think the BIG difference between the groups is that many CAL guys have been through this "Dog and Pony" show before!! Whereas, the UAL guys have lived a pretty stable life Seniority and Contract wise! CAL has been through Multiple ISL's whereas UAL has not! I think our Merger Comm. Jim Brucia could start a consulting job on ISL after he retires, he's done so many!! Again, I'm sure when your proposal comes out some of our "Keyboard Commando's" will rip the proposal apart and say how unreasonable you are!! I won't be one of them, I've been down this road before!...
#28
During contract negotiations, I once asked an experienced Union rep: "Why don't we save time and open with a reasonable offer, somewhere close to the middle, since that's where we always end up?"
He replied: "Because that would change the location of the middle."
He replied: "Because that would change the location of the middle."
#29
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Scott
#30
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Understood. I now have a contract I voted "no" for too. I'm just trying to get through to the CAL side just how egregious the CAL proposal was to our side. I also need to make clear just how offensive JP's actions during the JCBA have been. No one in CALPA has done any bridge building, yet you want it to start now after the CAL proposal? You, again by default, actually advocated stapling the bottom several thousand UAL pilots. I have not seen anyone from the CAL side saying wait, what? Why is that?
Scott
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