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07-22-2013 | 02:19 AM
#231
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There is far less history of a 1:1 slotting and staple the rest that Cal proposed. It literally addressed 1/2 of 1 of the 3 basic tenets of the current ALPA merger policy. We'll know soon enough what the arbs thought of each sides argument.
I could care less what folks use to judge the awards fairness (2010, 2012, 2013, current, hell, why not 5 years from now?) The arb's don't either. What there is is precedence, and the setting of precedence for future awards. It won't crush either side, it will simply normalize it to what actually happened when the two companies merged in 2010. Take away delay, divert and leverage and we have 2010 when one management team in a legal sense started making decisions about fleet makeup, structure and staffing.
Scott
I could care less what folks use to judge the awards fairness (2010, 2012, 2013, current, hell, why not 5 years from now?) The arb's don't either. What there is is precedence, and the setting of precedence for future awards. It won't crush either side, it will simply normalize it to what actually happened when the two companies merged in 2010. Take away delay, divert and leverage and we have 2010 when one management team in a legal sense started making decisions about fleet makeup, structure and staffing.
Scott
Merger policy "tenants"? ... What will you do if the award looks more like the CAL proposal, and not like the UAL proposal? What crosses the fairness threshold for you?
07-22-2013 | 04:34 AM
#232
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Please tell us when the Continental business plan will be complete so the current airline can operate as one. Many of us need to plan our lives.
07-22-2013 | 08:01 AM
#233
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From: Airbus
Management chose the cheapest solution.
07-22-2013 | 08:05 AM
#234
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You can't have it both ways. You can't claim longevity to April 2013 then say the furloughees haven't been recalled to the United side so their time on property doesn't count.
07-22-2013 | 08:23 AM
#235
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From: 737 CA
Sled
07-22-2013 | 08:31 AM
#236
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Longevity. Status and Category. Career expectations. Those "tenants". I suspect your side's kindergarten proposal will be chucked in the can, and my 1997 proposed stapled arse will be senior to at least 1/3 of your airline. Along with the nearly 1000 other 1997 hires. Watch and see.
Sled
Sled
You do realize that strictly based on longevity you are senior to 50% of Continental pilots...
Its a shame that you might only end up senior to 1/3 of them.
LAX
07-22-2013 | 08:51 AM
#237
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That's exactly what US Airways management did (read: former AWA management). The West had 141 airplanes and 1900 pilots when the AWA-AAA merger was announced and the East had 1600 pilots on furlough. Now, the West has 122 airframes, the East has gotten 9 additional A330s, and all the hiring has been on the East and all the furloughs have been on the West. There's one reason: the East making $124 an hour as Group II CA and virtually no work rules were cheaper.
07-22-2013 | 09:09 AM
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07-22-2013 | 09:23 AM
#240
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That's exactly what US Airways management did (read: former AWA management). The West had 141 airplanes and 1900 pilots when the AWA-AAA merger was announced and the East had 1600 pilots on furlough. Now, the West has 122 airframes, the East has gotten 9 additional A330s, and all the hiring has been on the East and all the furloughs have been on the West. There's one reason: the East making $124 an hour as Group II CA and virtually no work rules were cheaper.
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