SLI Post Hearing Briefs
07-25-2013 | 04:39 PM
#131
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ERJ, perhaps you might want to come up with another sign on. You get zero for that one.
Anyway, I was a vol-furlough hired in 1998. Yes, I did what most of the wimps on this board and others would never do, I walked away. Never sure if I'd come back, and if I did, it would be on the same terms, my terms.
I have enjoyed all the CAL folks I've flown with to date (must not have flown with you).
Now, under the CAL proposal, I, who never was, never would be furloughed, would have been placed behind Yost (2011 hire I believe). YGTBSM.
Dude, get a life and a clue. The SLI process has finished from the pilots standpoint. The arbiters will come up with the final answer.
My recommendation to you is to keep it well out of the cockpit regardless of who you fly with. That's what I do. It does nothing constructive with regards to our daily mission.
If you bring this process up with folks in the cockpit, then your CRM skills are definitely in question.
Leave it on the jetway and do your job. And don't engage guys/gals that have been sh*t on well more than you'd understand.
And, all the "furloughs" working at CAL are not still furloughed/not recalled. I got my recall offer in Jan. Flying a 737 in IAH works for me....so I declined. You got to get your facts straight, son.
From an old grey-beard, sincerely meant, and hopefully received.
Lee
Anyway, I was a vol-furlough hired in 1998. Yes, I did what most of the wimps on this board and others would never do, I walked away. Never sure if I'd come back, and if I did, it would be on the same terms, my terms.
I have enjoyed all the CAL folks I've flown with to date (must not have flown with you).
Now, under the CAL proposal, I, who never was, never would be furloughed, would have been placed behind Yost (2011 hire I believe). YGTBSM.
Dude, get a life and a clue. The SLI process has finished from the pilots standpoint. The arbiters will come up with the final answer.
My recommendation to you is to keep it well out of the cockpit regardless of who you fly with. That's what I do. It does nothing constructive with regards to our daily mission.
If you bring this process up with folks in the cockpit, then your CRM skills are definitely in question.
Leave it on the jetway and do your job. And don't engage guys/gals that have been sh*t on well more than you'd understand.
And, all the "furloughs" working at CAL are not still furloughed/not recalled. I got my recall offer in Jan. Flying a 737 in IAH works for me....so I declined. You got to get your facts straight, son.
From an old grey-beard, sincerely meant, and hopefully received.
Lee
07-25-2013 | 05:57 PM
#133
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ERJ, perhaps you might want to come up with another sign on. You get zero for that one.
Anyway, I was a vol-furlough hired in 1998. Yes, I did what most of the wimps on this board and others would never do, I walked away. Never sure if I'd come back, and if I did, it would be on the same terms, my terms.
I have enjoyed all the CAL folks I've flown with to date (must not have flown with you).
Now, under the CAL proposal, I, who never was, never would be furloughed, would have been placed behind Yost (2011 hire I believe). YGTBSM.
Dude, get a life and a clue. The SLI process has finished from the pilots standpoint. The arbiters will come up with the final answer.
My recommendation to you is to keep it well out of the cockpit regardless of who you fly with. That's what I do. It does nothing constructive with regards to our daily mission.
If you bring this process up with folks in the cockpit, then your CRM skills are definitely in question.
Leave it on the jetway and do your job. And don't engage guys/gals that have been sh*t on well more than you'd understand.
And, all the "furloughs" working at CAL are not still furloughed/not recalled. I got my recall offer in Jan. Flying a 737 in IAH works for me....so I declined. You got to get your facts straight, son.
From an old grey-beard, sincerely meant, and hopefully received.
Lee
Anyway, I was a vol-furlough hired in 1998. Yes, I did what most of the wimps on this board and others would never do, I walked away. Never sure if I'd come back, and if I did, it would be on the same terms, my terms.
I have enjoyed all the CAL folks I've flown with to date (must not have flown with you).
Now, under the CAL proposal, I, who never was, never would be furloughed, would have been placed behind Yost (2011 hire I believe). YGTBSM.
Dude, get a life and a clue. The SLI process has finished from the pilots standpoint. The arbiters will come up with the final answer.
My recommendation to you is to keep it well out of the cockpit regardless of who you fly with. That's what I do. It does nothing constructive with regards to our daily mission.
If you bring this process up with folks in the cockpit, then your CRM skills are definitely in question.
Leave it on the jetway and do your job. And don't engage guys/gals that have been sh*t on well more than you'd understand.
And, all the "furloughs" working at CAL are not still furloughed/not recalled. I got my recall offer in Jan. Flying a 737 in IAH works for me....so I declined. You got to get your facts straight, son.
From an old grey-beard, sincerely meant, and hopefully received.
Lee
This may surprise you guys but on my small world of chugging across the North Atlantic the ISL is rarely discussed. In fact, I can't remember the last time it came up. Occasionally there is some discussion about new bases and position bidding. I think the average line guy knows it is out of our hands so why get your panties in a wad over what one side or another has presented.
I doubt that many of the prolific posters on this and other forums have ever been thru a major airline merger and experienced the post ISL issues. I was hired by Piedmont prior to the operational merger with USAir. What a fun couple of years followed.
The ISL will be what it is. The real concern for you younger guys is what kind of airline will be here 5 or 10+ years from now. My story at AAA was ugly. Hopefully all your careers will have a better trajectory.
Mike
2005
LCAL 756
07-25-2013 | 08:01 PM
#134
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As I said, the arbitrators will make their decision - and we'll all have to live with it.
But when a recall who has been on the line for 3 months tells me he "can't wait to take his rightful place on the seniority list" I can't help but laugh in his face that he thinks he's leap frogging anyone.
BTW, you want my respect - you don't don't call any one "son".
Grandpa.
But when a recall who has been on the line for 3 months tells me he "can't wait to take his rightful place on the seniority list" I can't help but laugh in his face that he thinks he's leap frogging anyone.
BTW, you want my respect - you don't don't call any one "son".
Grandpa.
07-25-2013 | 10:53 PM
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My old friend LeeMat and the other Lee
This may surprise you guys but on my small world of chugging across the North Atlantic the ISL is rarely discussed. In fact, I can't remember the last time it came up. Occasionally there is some discussion about new bases and position bidding. I think the average line guy knows it is out of our hands so why get your panties in a wad over what one side or another has presented.
I doubt that many of the prolific posters on this and other forums have ever been thru a major airline merger and experienced the post ISL issues. I was hired by Piedmont prior to the operational merger with USAir. What a fun couple of years followed.
The ISL will be what it is. The real concern for you younger guys is what kind of airline will be here 5 or 10+ years from now. My story at AAA was ugly. Hopefully all your careers will have a better trajectory.
Mike
2005
LCAL 756
This may surprise you guys but on my small world of chugging across the North Atlantic the ISL is rarely discussed. In fact, I can't remember the last time it came up. Occasionally there is some discussion about new bases and position bidding. I think the average line guy knows it is out of our hands so why get your panties in a wad over what one side or another has presented.
I doubt that many of the prolific posters on this and other forums have ever been thru a major airline merger and experienced the post ISL issues. I was hired by Piedmont prior to the operational merger with USAir. What a fun couple of years followed.
The ISL will be what it is. The real concern for you younger guys is what kind of airline will be here 5 or 10+ years from now. My story at AAA was ugly. Hopefully all your careers will have a better trajectory.
Mike
2005
LCAL 756
I couldn't breath I was laughing so hard. Ninety percent of the folks I have dealt with are great. You have the normal 5%ers at every airline and of course the 5% carved out for the Scabs.
The vast majority from BOTH sides are good dudes(etts).
Sorry you have to "prepare" yourself for UAL pilots because we aren't that scary.
Repeat after me Mikey........"Because I am GOOD enough, SMART enough and gosh darn it people LIKE me"......Stuart Smalley
07-25-2013 | 11:10 PM
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07-25-2013 | 11:24 PM
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From: B737 CAPT IAH
Lee, While you sound like a good guy to fly with, I think you're preaching to the choir. I've felt both sides went into this with pretty good attitudes I really feel it has deteriorated!! I've never really looked at who I was flying with until about a month ago. Now I check the pairing to see if it's a "N" emp. #, to prepare myself for the trip. Only a couple have been "not so fun" to fly with! But, the situation we both were put in really stinks!! I don't even ask about what they did prior to CAL/UAL since I already know!(and agree with you,don't want to go down that path!) The last guy I flew with wore his old UAL wings was a "red tag" person and really didn't understand why that was offensive. That's the problem!! I just tried to turn it on him and say how do you think I would be received in a UAL uniform with CAL wings. Or wearing a "RED TAG" saying hey I'm different than these guys!! He tried to explain it to me with out much success and I sincerely believe he meant no harm. I'm glad you all are back flying!! And I will make every effort as most of you have in trying to make the Trip enjoyable!! Just remember anytime a CAL pilot says something that you think is offensive he MAY not mean it to be so! I told the guy I was flying with we the 737 guys (cal/furloughed ual) are truely the pioneers of this merger!! WE are the ONLY ones that know whats it feels like to fly post SLI flt crews, Pre-SLI!!!
I don't wear red clips, old U wings, or have any old stuff on my bags for the very reasons you mention. And, I really don't engage anyone on either side of the equation regarding the SLI because it just isn't productive. It's a meaningless exercise. The arguments have been made and the process will come to an end soon enough.
Hopefully, everyone will be able to accept whatever the outcome is and move on. And, hopefully, we will all learn to become one pilot group and get rid of "red clips," orange bag tags, "ex-Con" tags, and so on. Such items serve no useful purpose. We can all take pride in where we came from for certain; however, we need to collectively focus not on the past but on where we are going forward!
Whether or not we "like the changes," the merger happened.
I can say that when the list comes out, I won't post on this or any other forum to boast or ***** about the final ruling. It's too charged of an issue. While I hope that everyone does well in the end game on the SLI, I know that can't happen. It sucks, but everyone's "career expectations" changed the day the merger was consummated. All the employees are the ones that have to deal with the result.
We can either all go forward together and succeed, or............
On a side note, you'd be surprised at the cold shoulder I get sometimes when I try to engage a brother in blue in my totally CAL uniform. Won't even acknowledge a "good morning" and avoid eye contact, etc. As an old guy, they definitely assume I'm a legacy CAL guy.
It tells me we have a long road ahead of us. At least we can start the journey soon. With any luck, we won't have the Northwest red book green book thing going on until we all retire........
Personally, I have been treated with nothing but respect since coming to the CAL side. I have enjoyed every aspect of the experience and have flown with great, capital C, Capt's.
I can honestly say to those that haven't flown on the "merged" side of the operation, we are way more similar than we are different. The question is will everyone learn to embrace the similarities.
Frats,
Lee
07-25-2013 | 11:38 PM
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From: B737 CAPT IAH
As I said, the arbitrators will make their decision - and we'll all have to live with it.
But when a recall who has been on the line for 3 months tells me he "can't wait to take his rightful place on the seniority list" I can't help but laugh in his face that he thinks he's leap frogging anyone.
BTW, you want my respect - you don't don't call any one "son".
Grandpa.
But when a recall who has been on the line for 3 months tells me he "can't wait to take his rightful place on the seniority list" I can't help but laugh in his face that he thinks he's leap frogging anyone.
BTW, you want my respect - you don't don't call any one "son".
Grandpa.
Seriously man, I don't know you but think you might want to learn to come up with a more tactful way to handle the situation. Don't get into a debate about how many years of this or that. Perhaps, an approach like, " the arbitration is over and whatever the result, we'll know soon enough" and leave it at that.
Just because that guy wasn't mature enough to contain his view of the world doesn't mean you have to engage him. It's counterproductive.
Jay, hope we'll get a chance to fly together if you're IAH based. I got the first round.
Frats,
Lee
07-26-2013 | 01:20 AM
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Lee,
I guess you forgot what UAL was like before. You would have gotten the very same cold shoulder 10 years ago if you said "hi" to another UAL pilot whilst wearing the same uniform.
I dont get ignored any more now wearing a CAL uniform than I did wearing my old UAL one.
Just one of the many reasons I chose (VF) 5 years ago.
I guess you forgot what UAL was like before. You would have gotten the very same cold shoulder 10 years ago if you said "hi" to another UAL pilot whilst wearing the same uniform.
I dont get ignored any more now wearing a CAL uniform than I did wearing my old UAL one.
Just one of the many reasons I chose (VF) 5 years ago.
07-26-2013 | 01:47 AM
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From: B737 CAPT IAH
Lee,
I guess you forgot what UAL was like before. You would have gotten the very same cold shoulder 10 years ago if you said "hi" to another UAL pilot whilst wearing the same uniform.
I dont get ignored any more now wearing a CAL uniform than I did wearing my old UAL one.
Just one of the many reasons I chose (VF) 5 years ago.
I guess you forgot what UAL was like before. You would have gotten the very same cold shoulder 10 years ago if you said "hi" to another UAL pilot whilst wearing the same uniform.
I dont get ignored any more now wearing a CAL uniform than I did wearing my old UAL one.
Just one of the many reasons I chose (VF) 5 years ago.
No, I remember. One of the reasons I chose VF was the sh*tty environment that was old UAL.
The work environment had degraded to no enjoyment. Again, we need to find a way to work together and put the merger crap behind us.
To do otherwise is management's wet dream. Internal whip-sawing does not benefit us.
We really are better than that.
I greet everyone with a smile. When they aren't keeping up with there end of the agreement, I let them know. And, when I can help out, I do so.
The passenger is my customer. They pay my paycheck and I know that. I keep my issues with management separate from that relationship.
Frats,
Lee
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