SLI Post Hearing Briefs
07-26-2013 | 05:05 AM
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Lee if one of the reasons you choose vf years ago was the lousy environment why did you come back? What did you do while on vf? I Know you spent a lot of time on apc but do you really think the environment will be better at ual now?
07-26-2013 | 05:05 AM
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You make some great points. In particular the "pioneers of this merger" part. We truly are the example of the operationally "merged" part of the pilot group for certain.
I don't wear red clips, old U wings, or have any old stuff on my bags for the very reasons you mention. And, I really don't engage anyone on either side of the equation regarding the SLI because it just isn't productive. It's a meaningless exercise. The arguments have been made and the process will come to an end soon enough.
Hopefully, everyone will be able to accept whatever the outcome is and move on. And, hopefully, we will all learn to become one pilot group and get rid of "red clips," orange bag tags, "ex-Con" tags, and so on. Such items serve no useful purpose. We can all take pride in where we came from for certain; however, we need to collectively focus not on the past but on where we are going forward!
Whether or not we "like the changes," the merger happened.
I can say that when the list comes out, I won't post on this or any other forum to boast or ***** about the final ruling. It's too charged of an issue. While I hope that everyone does well in the end game on the SLI, I know that can't happen. It sucks, but everyone's "career expectations" changed the day the merger was consummated. All the employees are the ones that have to deal with the result.
We can either all go forward together and succeed, or............
On a side note, you'd be surprised at the cold shoulder I get sometimes when I try to engage a brother in blue in my totally CAL uniform. Won't even acknowledge a "good morning" and avoid eye contact, etc. As an old guy, they definitely assume I'm a legacy CAL guy.
It tells me we have a long road ahead of us. At least we can start the journey soon. With any luck, we won't have the Northwest red book green book thing going on until we all retire........
Personally, I have been treated with nothing but respect since coming to the CAL side. I have enjoyed every aspect of the experience and have flown with great, capital C, Capt's.
I can honestly say to those that haven't flown on the "merged" side of the operation, we are way more similar than we are different. The question is will everyone learn to embrace the similarities.
Frats,
Lee
I don't wear red clips, old U wings, or have any old stuff on my bags for the very reasons you mention. And, I really don't engage anyone on either side of the equation regarding the SLI because it just isn't productive. It's a meaningless exercise. The arguments have been made and the process will come to an end soon enough.
Hopefully, everyone will be able to accept whatever the outcome is and move on. And, hopefully, we will all learn to become one pilot group and get rid of "red clips," orange bag tags, "ex-Con" tags, and so on. Such items serve no useful purpose. We can all take pride in where we came from for certain; however, we need to collectively focus not on the past but on where we are going forward!
Whether or not we "like the changes," the merger happened.
I can say that when the list comes out, I won't post on this or any other forum to boast or ***** about the final ruling. It's too charged of an issue. While I hope that everyone does well in the end game on the SLI, I know that can't happen. It sucks, but everyone's "career expectations" changed the day the merger was consummated. All the employees are the ones that have to deal with the result.
We can either all go forward together and succeed, or............
On a side note, you'd be surprised at the cold shoulder I get sometimes when I try to engage a brother in blue in my totally CAL uniform. Won't even acknowledge a "good morning" and avoid eye contact, etc. As an old guy, they definitely assume I'm a legacy CAL guy.
It tells me we have a long road ahead of us. At least we can start the journey soon. With any luck, we won't have the Northwest red book green book thing going on until we all retire........
Personally, I have been treated with nothing but respect since coming to the CAL side. I have enjoyed every aspect of the experience and have flown with great, capital C, Capt's.
I can honestly say to those that haven't flown on the "merged" side of the operation, we are way more similar than we are different. The question is will everyone learn to embrace the similarities.
Frats,
Lee
I'm am REALLY ready to be in the SAME uniform and on the seniority list with EVERYONE!! You sound like a good guy to fly with!! Hopefully, someday if we get the chance to fly with each other we can go back to our NORMAL complaining about working every 3rd wed and how OLD the "cat wranglers" are!! 
07-26-2013 | 05:26 AM
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Yes, management has it's issue's and I'm no fan of the way they approach things!! However, thats not the customers fault!! I made a huge effort the last few months flying when the Merger gets me down not to be part of the problem!!(NOT easy!) The last thing an FO wants me to do is COMPLAIN the whole trip when he has his own issues!! I try to make eye contact with both UAL and CAL crews and say HI or just NOD!! Hasn't always worked but, is sort of entertaining for me when the pilots want to be JERKS!! I along with you am GLAD to have Lee back! I think the moral at UAL was much like it was at CAL in early 90's, not a FUN time!! That's probably what Lee was hitting on!! I have many yrs left, we're hiring tons of NEW pilots lets try to make this place people want to come and enjoy ourselves!! End of Cheerleading!! But, I do believe this is the only way we will be successful!!
07-26-2013 | 07:16 AM
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That's surprising that he would consider himself "recalled" to LUAL (by wearing LUAL wings) upon accepting a position at LCAL. Most do not consider themselves recalled, therefore they wear LCAL wings. Maybe he was unclear on the concept or he wasn't given or didn't have LCAL wings to wear.
07-26-2013 | 07:29 AM
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That's surprising that he would consider himself "recalled" to LUAL (by wearing LUAL wings) upon accepting a position at LCAL. Most do not consider themselves recalled, therefore they wear LCAL wings. Maybe he was unclear on the concept or he wasn't given or didn't have LCAL wings to wear.
07-26-2013 | 07:50 AM
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That's surprising that he would consider himself "recalled" to LUAL (by wearing LUAL wings) upon accepting a position at LCAL. Most do not consider themselves recalled, therefore they wear LCAL wings. Maybe he was unclear on the concept or he wasn't given or didn't have LCAL wings to wear.
07-26-2013 | 09:09 AM
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They love you at the bottom of the list.
07-26-2013 | 11:49 AM
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Some people are never going to be able to move on.
07-26-2013 | 12:01 PM
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07-26-2013 | 12:33 PM
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Who wants to bet on the first lawsuit filer? LAX, AXL, etc...
It's amazing, everyone I run into at l-UAL are good peeps. The ones I fly with, jumpseaters, those in the lounge, and my friends. They are professional, cordial, and generally there is no difference except for minor cultural crud. I suspect any lawsuits will not gain the traction of the masses. We will all accept the decision of the arbitrators, and move on as the professionals that we are! Looking forward to the unity ahead...
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