As a CAL furloughed guy...one of the 143 sacrificial lambs....I am really disappointed with the furlough integration. The CAL pilot group did the "right thing" when they needed to hire because of growth/demand, and instead of going to the streets they asked United guys to come to work. I should have had 600 guys below me. That coupled with the continued pilot demand and hiring at United comes from the Continental pilot group not United. I've been set back 5 years easy with the way they integrated the furlough list and despite having been recalled for 2.5 years I will likely get furloughed soon after being pushed to the bottom. I can't wait to see the justification for how they integrated the furloughed guys. Not sure I can ever respect the UAL group at this point...we did the "right thing" and got United guys a pay check and it turned out to screw us.

 

Well said. Somebody raised you right.

 

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.

Continetal asked United guys to go to work???????!!!!!!!!!! Growth/Demand?????? We were ONE company!!!!! Growth was OURS not YOURS!!!!!!

Dude, this sense of entitlement makes me flippin' bonkers!!!!!!! We were one company - UNITED AIRLINES - we may not have had an SLI yet but it was ONE COMPANY. The corporation HAD to offer the jobs to UNITED furloughed pilots!!!!!!!! To do otherwise would have been idiotic. What part of a MERGER do you not get???????? 3 independent men heard all the arguments and agreed NEITHER company was gonna do great alone. The merger was the best deal for everyone. Continental did not do the "RIGHT THING"; they did the ONLY thing. They merged.

Aviation is a competitive industry. United furloughed pilots got furloughed. You lost a couple of months seniority. GET OVER IT!

 

Joe,
I lost more than a couple of months. I lost years. Went from 81% to 91%. While our MC missed the mark by a lot, I think career expectations where not even factored or weighted by the arbs. However try and be a little more respectful that it could be a tough pill for some. I spent hours in the cage at jui jitsu tonight and I still feel like it was a raw deal for a large group of CAL guys, myself included. Most of the non-scabs and not old CAL guys got crushed with this decision.

 

Did you even read the opinion?!?!
EVERY UAL furloughee will be furloughed OUT of seniority order for a period of 5 years starting yesterday.

 

You play the sacrificial lamb role quite well. After reading your post, I have to suggest that you read the award (text, not the list) as well as the conditions and restrictions.

Also, your intimation that having off the street hires versus LUAL furloughees behind you since the merger would have somehow helped you is flawed.

Seriously, read the award with an objective, open mind.

 

Not true. That was UNITED flying, not CAL organic flying. According to the arbitrators October 1st 2010 the airline was merged. Those decisions by one management meant that they were using CAL pilots to fly UAL routes.

You can't hire new pilots to an airline while leaving furloughed ones on the street.

Based on the ISL, you came back from furlough OUT OF SENIORITY and should be glad that YOU were able to get a paycheck.

 

Going into this, in my own mind, I was always going to be OK with furloughed pilots with the same or longer longevity/active-time being integrated above me. Maybe I'm the only one. Yes, I do understand the argument some were making about a furloughed pilot being a furloughed pilot and past arbitrations, etc. However, I knew, for myself, that a furloughed pilot should get credit for the time he actually did fly for the company.

All along I felt that many CAL pilots were going to be disappointed with the result. I kept an open mind about what I personally considered fair to a guy who worked the same amount of time as myself but happened to be furloughed. I'm really OK with the list, at least as it pertains to me and where I sit on it. It would really do me no good to expend any energy on the outcome and getting mad about it. I'd rather continue going to work being in a good mood than p***ed off at the world and miserable.

 

Did you read the decision? I am thinking not.

Here is what you need to read:

C. CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE BUILD MODELS
The primary failing of the CAL proposal's use of only status, to the virtual
exclusion of all other Merger Policy factors, is that it unfairly, inequitably and
disproportionately benefits one pilot group to the consequent detriment of the other. If
either group proposed using any other single Merger Policy factor alone, like longevity,
the resulting list would also be distorted, but in a different direction. Another defect of
the CAL Committee's proposed ISL is that it unjustifiably creates extremely large tiers of
pilots from a single airline. Some such distortions are inevitable in any merger of
seniority lists. But the career-long blocking effect of those spawned by the CAL proposal
could harm morale and employee relations for decades to come.
22
The CAL Committee's use of an April 1, 2013 base list date is manifestly intended
to embrace the windfall of potential Captain upgrades in February 2014, generated by
premerger CAL System Bid 14-02. Memorializing that windfall by treating captains (or
at least some captains) as fungible equals irrespective of aircraft, while treating others as
“unneeded”, is not a bone fide status & category ratio. And simply disregarding
longevity as an equity factor seems engineered to justify the unfair stapling to the
bottom of the list all United pilots in furlough status on May 3, 2010.

 

Is it possible you bought into JP's over-reach and now suffer because he poorly representing the CAL pilots before the arbitrators. JP called Jeff after the award and asked him if there was anything he could do to fix it. Jeff reportedly asked him who he represented. Be careful who you get in bed with.