Snapshot is posted on flight ops site.

How is a "P" number about 400 numbers junior to me get a 737 Cpt slot in EWR?!:confused:

Displacement bid?

????? This person is a NEW hire....
Maybe I'm missing something?

Management? Training department?

************************************nevermind.

What's up with the bottom two iah756ca?

The starting and awarding are the same. ?
Page 64, 3rd one down. "P" number. 100% EWR 737 CA.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something?
I put that down at 100% before starting FO bids...

Yeah, saw that too....

I'm sure Hepner is all over it.

Junior 737 Captain award is GUM....DOH 1989. :eek:

Wow. Those who upgraded after 10/10 will be static for a long time.

Not showing that on the snapshot, looks like EWR 737 10/25/2005 ...GUM is 9/13/2005...the most junior awarded L-Ual based on vacancy in GUM is 12/21/92

Management, could be ground or sim instructors..note the SUP

Maybe, maybe not, doesn't really matter with PBS as the lines are the same from 80 or above the G-line -20% anyways..static or not, pay's the same...plus with the retirements over the next 5 years, there will be plenty of flex and slop. The old staffing 'rules' still apply regardless of the new monthly vancancy/displacement scenarios: it's harder to get shoved out of a seat than awarded into one. That's purely from a financial company standpoint.

I am talking about awards based on vacancies on this snapshot. EWR 737 CAP has no vacancies, thus no awards (and the snapshot has no backfills or secondaries). GUM's junior award for 737 CAP is indeed 12/92 (seniority #4532)....which is the junior 737 CAP award on this snapshot.

Most Junior award from snapshot....cut and paste from another forum....

EWR777CA

Advertised 7, awarded 16
Sen #911, u042291 WUSTMAN, C
IAH777CA

Advertised 5, awarded 8
Sen #425, u060510 RUSSEL, J
ORD737CA

Advertised 6, awarded 6
Sen #3212, u113636 KUHN, D
DEN737CA

Advertised 20, awarded 23
Sen #4302, u136524 MCSPADDEN, R
LAX737CA

Advertised 7, awarded 19
Sen #4429, u147234 PERNU, M
GUM737CA

Advertised 20, awarded 9
Sen #4534, u147593 DU BOIS, S
LAX787CA

Advertised 25, awarded 25
Sen #1055, 0049K (scab)
EWR737FO

Advertised 20, awarded 16
Sen #12493, P1754 GRANT, ZJ
ORD737FO

Advertised 20, awarded 23
Sen #12003, N9391 HERMANN, MA
DEN737FO

Advertised 10, awarded 14
Sen #10145, N9737 BAKKE, VR
EWR737FO

Advertised 20, awarded 23
Sen #12282, N9061 LUCK, RG
EWR756FO

Advertised 20, awarded 37
Sen #7580, C6370 WHATLEY, BA
LAX787FO

Advertised 35, awarded 35
Sen #9177, G9654 HUTTEN, M
JFK320FO

Advertised 10, awarded 0
DCA320FO

Advertised 10, awarded 10
Sen #10903, M9691 HOYT, RA
ORD320FO

Advertised 10, awarded 5
Sen #9737, u223421 HURT, M
EWR737FO

Advertised 10, awarded 3
Sen #9240, u206009 TURCO, A

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There are over 400 757/767 pilots in ORD. All of them (in both seats) can hold 737 Captain in ORD. When they park all the 757's, where do you think those 300 pilots will go (there will be some left flying the 767)? Let's say that 100 of them bid 737 Captain in ORD. There are currently only 112 Captain positions...

There will be bumps. The junior CAL captains will have to pick another seat.

Yes, it will be expensive.

It's cheaper for the company to have an overstaffed base rather than to bump CA's out of a seat, especially with expected retirements and growth.

The crappy UAL aircraft will be phased out slowly and allow for retirements and growth to minimize the effect of the demise of the old and decrepit planes UAL brought to the merger.

Reserve CA has actually been pretty good, pay and quality of life is pretty good. I and many of my contemporaries would not care if we sit reserve, it might be better than having a line in some cases.

The next option for us, if we were to get bumped, is to bid 787 FO where they're making as much as 737 CA with more days off due to the understaffed situation on that aircraft, I believe the fence will even make it harder on the company since you will have to find CAL pilots willing to commute or move to the liberal, high taxed communist state of California....

You do love that Kool-Aid don't you?

That scenario although not completely without plausibility is HIGHLY unlikely. For one, the company doesn't do drawdowns quickly, maybe in a 'right sizing' scenario it's plausible and those furloughed would most likely agree it happens that quickly, but the reality is the company is a whole now looking to reduce deficits and keep bleedout to the minimum. They will mitigate a parking of a fleet slowly and match it to the attrition levels based on demographics and retirements as well as vacancy movement. You will possibly see some displacements but they will not open the floodgates. To do so would be a training center, cost detrimental nightmare. The vacancy's and any displacements will be a slow trickle and not the damn bursting event you propose. See the last vacancy bid, that will be the scenario for years to come. It took well over 5-7 years to completely phase out the 737 300 and 500's and this management team doesn't do anything cost prohibitive to appease emotion. This is the company running the show now, not the union(s). There are no absolutes and the word 'expensive' with regard to pilot staffing is not in this managements vocabulary. Stagnation may happen for junior Captains but displacements will be far and few in between, the company has plenty of slop at the min/max staffing levels to absorb a very wide degree of movement without triggering a displacement bid, and that includes secondary vacancies and backfills..all the while keeping the vacancy bids, although monthly, to a slow cadence.

Great post...I agree with you, the company will do everyhing to keep training cost to the minimum...

They'll go to the bigger ORD 737 base probably.

Sure they will, like closing a 400 base and then open it back up again, lol. A very forward thinking company, lol.

Well compared to the forward thinking company you came from, that kept 747 that everyone else was parking and 757 with old technology and most uncapable of ETOPS and buying A320's that can't do what the 737 can do and not investing in new technology and buying new and more efficient aircraft...yes I would say we are in a more forward thinking company...oh and let's not forget the forward thinking of your company which sacrified your pension and ruined the career of thousand plus pilots...yea forward thinking.

Q2 2013 Earnings Call Transcript
 

John D. Rainey - EVP and CFO: As one data point, for each Boeing 757-200 that we replace with a new 737-900ER, we project more than a $2 million benefit annually on a run rate basis, inclusive of ownership cost. This adds up to a fairly substantial number as we plan to retire 73 domestic 757-200s by the end of 2015 and replace them with new 737-900ERs.

Go back and read the post I know it's tough but I was talking about the training cost you referenced. That is it. But no I see no forward thinking at this company at all. If you think this team as they always say is that way, best of luck to you.

Sled, Plan's at this place are like dirty diapers, they're changed every hour and usually full of crap

Great point!

These new visionaries leading us surely know what they're doing!:D

I'm sure they are. But throw in the AUG Flight Ops Update...

"The redeployment of 747 flying will result in the closing of the LAX 747 base and the re-opening of the ORD 747 base"

Closing the LAX 747 domicile will displace 60+ pilots. The LAX-SYD flight already shows a 777 starting in April-ish I believe.
THese bufoons can't get out of their own way. Like Sid pointed out, they closed ORD 747 and bumped everybody all of a sudden this year. Now, they are going to re-open it which could displace about half the SFO 747 pilots. That's 230 guys right there. These schedule changes are in Shares, so they can displace or do a sheetload of DH/TDY.

Just my 2 cents
the new, nice Sled

If I was a 37 year old CA about to make 200K in 2014, I'd be strutting around too! (course I'd also be buying the beer too!)

12000 seniority number holding a 767 capt bid? Management or not, that isn't right.

CAL did this kind of stuff for years. It was compensation for the "friends of Fred". Guess they don't know a new Sheriff is in town. Hope the MEC has a handle on this. After the combined MEC's take office we'll see a more transparent bids and results.

Visionaries, yeah....that's the ticket....visionaries...hmmmm....

OK Sheriff, you've been in this town for 3 years!! So, WHEN are YOU going to do something!! :rolleyes: Or, more likely are you just going to keyboard them into submission!! :eek:

How exactly does one "strut" around? Does walking through the airport as a young captain to Famous Famiglia mean you are "strutting"? Or is is just though an envious observers eyes?

The difference is for the last three years that was your list. Now it is our list.

That's cute - when the consolidated MEC takes office. I think the keyboard has done a good job of exposing the CAL MEC as being dysfunctional, inept and generally as puppets of Jeff. Wheather it's my keyboard or one of the many that believe in Unionism, the truth always find a path to shine through. Ask Tony!!!