Originally Posted by LeeMat (Post 1495127)

Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1495131)

The difference is for the last three years that was your list. Now it is our list.

Originally Posted by Really (Post 1495355)

So who is OUR in your statement? And please answer the question. What specifically is the NEW sheriff going to do?:rolleyes: I hope it's not the same sheriff that let the crooks steal their wallets (pension) or steal their car(scope)!:eek:

Originally Posted by Kilder (Post 1495037)

Well compared to the forward thinking company you came from, that kept 747 that everyone else was parking and 757 with old technology and most uncapable of ETOPS and buying A320's that can't do what the 737 can do and not investing in new technology and buying new and more efficient aircraft...yes I would say we are in a more forward thinking company...oh and let's not forget the forward thinking of your company which sacrified your pension and ruined the career of thousand plus pilots...yea forward thinking.

Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 1495433)

Forward thinking---buying those shiny new jets you are so proud of. It is working so well, isn't it? Who is having their head handed to them by the competition? You know, the one that truly is forward thinking and doesn't get caught up in Shiny Jet Syndrome like a 22 year old RJ new hire?

United Snaps Up New Planes, Delta Makes Do With Old - Businessweek

Originally Posted by Kilder (Post 1494959)

It's cheaper for the company to have an overstaffed base rather than to bump CA's out of a seat, especially with expected retirements and growth.

The crappy UAL aircraft will be phased out slowly and allow for retirements and growth to minimize the effect of the demise of the old and decrepit planes UAL brought to the merger.

Reserve CA has actually been pretty good, pay and quality of life is pretty good. I and many of my contemporaries would not care if we sit reserve, it might be better than having a line in some cases.

The next option for us, if we were to get bumped, is to bid 787 FO where they're making as much as 737 CA with more days off due to the understaffed situation on that aircraft, I believe the fence will even make it harder on the company since you will have to find CAL pilots willing to commute or move to the liberal, high taxed communist state of California....

Originally Posted by vspeed (Post 1494966)

That scenario although not completely without plausibility is HIGHLY unlikely. For one, the company doesn't do drawdowns quickly, maybe in a 'right sizing' scenario it's plausible and those furloughed would most likely agree it happens that quickly, but the reality is the company is a whole now looking to reduce deficits and keep bleedout to the minimum. They will mitigate a parking of a fleet slowly and match it to the attrition levels based on demographics and retirements as well as vacancy movement. You will possibly see some displacements but they will not open the floodgates. To do so would be a training center, cost detrimental nightmare. The vacancy's and any displacements will be a slow trickle and not the damn bursting event you propose. See the last vacancy bid, that will be the scenario for years to come. It took well over 5-7 years to completely phase out the 737 300 and 500's and this management team doesn't do anything cost prohibitive to appease emotion. This is the company running the show now, not the union(s). There are no absolutes and the word 'expensive' with regard to pilot staffing is not in this managements vocabulary. Stagnation may happen for junior Captains but displacements will be far and few in between, the company has plenty of slop at the min/max staffing levels to absorb a very wide degree of movement without triggering a displacement bid, and that includes secondary vacancies and backfills..all the while keeping the vacancy bids, although monthly, to a slow cadence.

Originally Posted by JohnHale (Post 1495602)

The gentleman asked a question about bid 14-02D. Does anyone know what it is?

When the new MEC takes office, this kind of stuff will stop. If any wrong doing has been done by the company, the new MEC will correct it for the benifit of all.

Originally Posted by JohnHale (Post 1495641)

If guys like you choose not to hold their elected reps accountable then yes it will become a good ol' boys club. Fortunately, the majority of the pilots will not tolerate it. I can understand your apathy considering the CAL MEC history, but it's time to change. Many of those on your side welcome the change and are tired of being "sold down the river" for the benefit of your leadership. It's over!!!!

How come you didn't address bid 14-02D ?

Originally Posted by Knotcher (Post 1495128)

How exactly does one "strut" around? Does walking through the airport as a young captain to Famous Famiglia mean you are "strutting"? Or is is just though an envious observers eyes?

Originally Posted by JohnHale (Post 1495690)

Since you jumped in the conversation. I think the furloughed would have a different opinion now that SLI is over. Didn't you want to staple a bunch of them to bottom of the list. You guys had one of the most dysfunctional MEC's in ALPA mostly because you allowed your leadership bully you into submission.
When talking about holding our leadership accountable, you need to get off your ME MINDSET and come around to the WE MINDSET. They work for you but you(we) need to give direction. When you(we) don't give them direction, you(we) allow them to work in their own best interest. YOU LOSE. Tired of losing yet?

Originally Posted by Really (Post 1495754)

Not that you believe anything I would say. It's ironic that you would bring up SLI! That is what they are most upset about with UAL MEC! Overall, thought UAL didn't play hardball enough against CAL proposal! (I had to agree somewhat with them!:o) Both before and after SLI! As far as losing, I(we) guess I(we) like losing since I(we) thought the SLI went very "fair" as far as I(WE) are concerned! I gained 3% thats doesn't seem like a loss? But hey, Roll tide!! And as far as holding MEC responsible not only do "I" ( I don't need a whole group of my peers at computer with me while writing to my reps!!:confused:) to be a team player!! I've been very involved with Comm. work on the Union and just because peoples opinions don't always go with your convoluted ideas doesn't mean they are not being held accountable! I have a feeling you have never been involved by your comments and lack of ability to answer a relatively easy question!!;)

Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1495795)

Your side's proposal got chucked in the can. That is the problem with extreme or "hardball".

Originally Posted by JohnHale (Post 1495641)

If guys like you choose not to hold their elected reps accountable then yes it will become a good ol' boys club. Fortunately, the majority of the pilots will not tolerate it. I can understand your apathy considering the CAL MEC history, but it's time to change. Many of those on your side welcome the change and are tired of being "sold down the river" for the benefit of your leadership. It's over!!!!

How come you didn't address bid 14-02D ?

Originally Posted by JohnHale (Post 1495833)

If you can't handle the answer, don't ask the question. Good rant though. Who are those "The traitors sold me down the river, not JP or JH." You speak of?

Originally Posted by socalflyboy (Post 1495839)

I know we have scabs, just like you.

Originally Posted by JohnHale (Post 1495846)

If you spent all this time on the communication committee then you should have a better handle on how it works. Wait you're a CAL type and use to your leaders telling you how it's going to be. JP was only effective of driving a wedge between the 2 pilots groups. If you were on the Comm committee, why didn't you help him out and tell him he was wrong? You are right about one thing, I'd doesn't matter who WON it matters who LOST. Something you and you boy JP will always remember.

Originally Posted by socalflyboy (Post 1495851)

And yet another snide ass remark from Johnny boy..unity? Yeah, you keep preaching that.

Originally Posted by Really (Post 1495822)

I guess I don't speak plain enough! I thought the UAL proposal was FAIR!! Both before and after the SLI I thought UAL formula was going to be the way the list would be constructed!! Made more sense and had more logic!! Thats not really my point, just having a little debate with john about how the "mighty" UAL MEC will change things!! He still hasn't answered (surprise) how HE is going to hold NEW MEC accountable? He has had said how bad CAL MEC was and now we'll all win! I'm just asking how? I feel the reason is many guys don't like JP, particularly john! Yet, he was highly effective with profit sharing, bids, MOU's, and many of CAL's concern! That's what I truly think got under johns skin! There could be a thread on airplane color and john/staller/carol would turn it into JP conspiracy and that he must own the paint company!!:eek: As far as the SLI are you sure all of CAL's proposal was all tossed out? I think it was built using UALs formula but changed up, see Longeveity from 50% to 35% using some of CAL's argument. It's over I'm glad you think it's fair since I think this will be a strong airline with both groups!! Does it REALLY matter now who WON?:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1495979)

I agree. Time to band together. I was not arguing win/loss. I was only commenting on the "hardball" comment you attribute to our furloughees.

Sled

Originally Posted by socalflyboy (Post 1496004)

Oh, your furloughs with 2600+ days on furlough who were paced above some with 0 days on furlough? Time to band together? You mean after all your PRETENTIOUS bump statements? You really crack me up....you, j.hale, and a coupe others just love to throw the monkey poop...then say, " hey, we need to band together"....gmafb

Originally Posted by socalflyboy (Post 1496004)

Oh, your furloughs with 2600+ days on furlough who were paced above some with 0 days on furlough? Time to band together? You mean after all your PRETENTIOUS bump statements? You really crack me up....you, j.hale, and a coupe others just love to throw the monkey poop...then say, " hey, we need to band together"....gmafb

Originally Posted by socalflyboy (Post 1496004)

Oh, your furloughs with 2600+ days on furlough who were paced above some with 0 days on furlough? Time to band together? You mean after all your PRETENTIOUS bump statements? You really crack me up....you, j.hale, and a coupe others just love to throw the monkey poop...then say, " hey, we need to band together"....gmafb

Originally Posted by Horhay (Post 1496239)

With more ACTIVE time in a United cockpit than ANY CAL-guy I was "assimilated" with...I, for one, must take exception. Be careful who you choose to frag, albeit by association. I don't know the context of the "remarks" you're taking issue with...that being said; we've paid our dues

The sandwich is what it is...we have no choice but to deal with it; best get over it.

Frats,
Horhay

Originally Posted by socalflyboy (Post 1496289)

H- I totally agree..I am well over it, as a matter of fact my final outcome could have been a lot worse. I am not stoked by any means of my massive drop in domicile seniority, but overall seniority wise, not too bad. I think we have ALL paid our dues. I am simply calling a kettle black, when certain people on this here thread/forum put down the other side, rejoice in bumping and their well known Windfall statements, and then say" oh yeah,we gotta be unified"... Really? In time this will all pass,hopefully.

Originally Posted by dada9898 (Post 1923796)

As a New Hire about to start training, does this mean that the 737 in DCA may be available to me?

Originally Posted by dada9898 (Post 1923796)

As a New Hire about to start training, does this mean that the 737 in DCA may be available to me?

Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 1923818)

When do you start? There would have to be unfilled seats on the final award. There will be unfilled seats on this one but I don't know if it will happen in time for you to see it on a new hire drop. If you don't see it on a drop I don't think it would be long before you're able to get it on a following vacancy bid assuming you're latteraling from the 737 in a different domicile.

Originally Posted by 74pilot (Post 1923839)

756 & 76T don't match aircraft types in the UPA pay tables. Can someone offer the God's eye view of what the difference is between fleets and which is which?

Are all B767 variant airframes being merged into a single fleet?

- Thanks

Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 1923881)

756 = Legacy CAL 757-200, 757-300, and 767-400.

76T = Legacy UAL 757-200 and 767-300.

CAL jets have better avionics setup and are all ETOPS. Most UA 757s are not. UA jets being modified to same avionics standard as CAL jets.

Still different engines UA 757s Pratt; CAL Rolls. Fleets expected to merge eventually...maybe later this year.