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Toddnel 10-03-2013 06:23 PM

I hate to rain on your conspiracy theories and usual arguments but Jeff will do whatever saves him the most money. The guy gets excited about ordering cashew halves vs whole nuts and sits on an ivory tower of lawyers. He will save the bucks regardless of who is MEC chair.

jsled 10-20-2013 08:30 AM

Here are the Denver 767 November Line Awards:

Cap....56 lineholders. 64 reserves
FO......50 lineholders. 59 reserves

I am sure the company will let this go on for a period of time to try and get as many pilots to bail out on a vacancy as possible, but the bumps are a coming....Meanwhile, Y'all enjoy the paid vacation. Get those skis/snowboards tuned and waxed. :D

Sledsta

nopac6 10-20-2013 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1504902)
Here are the Denver 767 November Line Awards:

Cap....56 lineholders. 64 reserves
FO......50 lineholders. 59 reserves

I am sure the company will let this go on for a period of time to try and get as many pilots to bail out on a vacancy as possible, but the bumps are a coming....Meanwhile, Y'all enjoy the paid vacation. Get those skis/snowboards tuned and waxed. :D

Sledsta

Jsled,

LAX 777 CAP is just the opposite:

33 lineholders and only 6 reserves

I've been called 4 times in the last 2 months for senior manning at 200% pay

F/O's are more balanced:

56 lineholders and 28 reserves.

wonder what the plan is to deal with this.

APC225 10-20-2013 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1504902)
Here are the Denver 767 November Line Awards:

Cap....56 lineholders. 64 reserves
FO......50 lineholders. 59 reserves

I am sure the company will let this go on for a period of time to try and get as many pilots to bail out on a vacancy as possible, but the bumps are a coming....Meanwhile, Y'all enjoy the paid vacation. Get those skis/snowboards tuned and waxed. :D

Sledsta

Yup. I think there's a continual comparative calculation going on between the cost of carrying too many pilots while they wind down staffing through attrition, and the cost displacement training effects.

SpecialTracking 10-20-2013 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by nopac6 (Post 1504972)

wonder what the plan is to deal with this.

That ^^^ brings a tear of sorrow to my eye.

Scott Stoops 10-20-2013 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1504902)
Here are the Denver 767 November Line Awards:

Cap....56 lineholders. 64 reserves
FO......50 lineholders. 59 reserves

I am sure the company will let this go on for a period of time to try and get as many pilots to bail out on a vacancy as possible, but the bumps are a coming....Meanwhile, Y'all enjoy the paid vacation. Get those skis/snowboards tuned and waxed. :D

Sledsta

...and all of them can hold 737 Captain in Denver. All of them. This is about to get ugly.

SpecialTracking 10-20-2013 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Scott Stoops (Post 1505031)
...and all of them can hold 737 Captain in Denver. All of them. This is about to get ugly.

The systematic protection continues.

Probe 10-20-2013 05:58 PM

I don't think in this case there is a big difference between displacement based training events, and vacancy based training. If a bunch of 767 FO's and Capts bump to 737 Capt, which is the airplane that will be replacing their fleet, in their base, that training event is the same.

If a super junior 737 Captain gets bumped, what is he going to be able to bump too? More than likely a 737 FO, which he is probably still qualified to fly with just a PC in the right seat, or maybe just a few more days of training.

When bumps start higher on the food chain, like during a big furlough, the snowball starts at the top. The snowball gets very big, very fast.

In this case, maybe not so much. IMHO.

I am surprised the company is sitting on that many excess 767 pilots getting paid not to fly. Since they all live in Denver anyway, why not sit around getting paid for nada? I would.

Probe 10-20-2013 05:59 PM

What is even worse, is the most junior of those 737 Captains probably haven't even been trained yet. Maybe manpower planning is playing favorites after all.

Airhoss 10-21-2013 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1505142)
What is even worse, is the most junior of those 737 Captains probably haven't even been trained yet. Maybe manpower planning is playing favorites after all.

Ya think? I've also noticed an increase on field stand by and annoying stuff like that. Might be a gentle push by the company to try and get guys to bid off.


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