Bumps
10-21-2013 | 06:43 PM
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It comes down to experience. Most UAL FOs have not been captain on anything in the past 12 years. Most of the CAL pilots have been a captain either at CAL or at a regional within the past 7 years.
Which pilot do you want making captain decisions?? The one sitting around and comfortable in the right seat and is getting old or the young guy that has recent PIC experience.
Ask passengers this question....
We have now gone to a merit based system, finally. In this case I will be chief pilot soon.
Which pilot do you want making captain decisions?? The one sitting around and comfortable in the right seat and is getting old or the young guy that has recent PIC experience.
Ask passengers this question....
We have now gone to a merit based system, finally. In this case I will be chief pilot soon.
10-21-2013 | 06:48 PM
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Fair enough pal. Then we better be asking the folks if pilots who have returned from long term medical leaves after suffering from an unfortunate condition such as yours (particularly at such a young age) should ever be permitted occupy the left seat. Or any seat for that matter.
Yeah, I guess so. I am sure after they see my recent training records it will be a non-issue.
10-21-2013 | 06:58 PM
#44
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Does it read something like this?
"25 year old ex-RJ FO who wasn't making enough money, takes a medical "out" so he can get work to get a second income on the side to supplement his LTD. After a new contract, and several years of additional longevity accrued while on LTD, his pay rate is enough that he can come back, pull gear in the right seat of a 756, and make enough money to pay his bills.
Then brags about it all, and his brilliance, on an online forum.
Airmanship - 5.0
Judgement - 1.0
Credibiliy - 0.0
Recommend field promotion to Chief Pilot."
"25 year old ex-RJ FO who wasn't making enough money, takes a medical "out" so he can get work to get a second income on the side to supplement his LTD. After a new contract, and several years of additional longevity accrued while on LTD, his pay rate is enough that he can come back, pull gear in the right seat of a 756, and make enough money to pay his bills.
Then brags about it all, and his brilliance, on an online forum.
Airmanship - 5.0
Judgement - 1.0
Credibiliy - 0.0
Recommend field promotion to Chief Pilot."
10-22-2013 | 03:48 AM
#45
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From: 756 FO
Does it read something like this?
"25 year old ex-RJ FO who wasn't making enough money, takes a medical "out" so he can get work to get a second income on the side to supplement his LTD. After a new contract, and several years of additional longevity accrued while on LTD, his pay rate is enough that he can come back, pull gear in the right seat of a 756, and make enough money to pay his bills.
Then brags about it all, and his brilliance, on an online forum.
Airmanship - 5.0
Judgement - 1.0
Credibiliy - 0.0
Recommend field promotion to Chief Pilot."
"25 year old ex-RJ FO who wasn't making enough money, takes a medical "out" so he can get work to get a second income on the side to supplement his LTD. After a new contract, and several years of additional longevity accrued while on LTD, his pay rate is enough that he can come back, pull gear in the right seat of a 756, and make enough money to pay his bills.
Then brags about it all, and his brilliance, on an online forum.
Airmanship - 5.0
Judgement - 1.0
Credibiliy - 0.0
Recommend field promotion to Chief Pilot."
Don't forget the part about him being homogenized milk too.
10-22-2013 | 05:03 AM
#46
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Does it read something like this?
"25 year old ex-RJ FO who wasn't making enough money, takes a medical "out" so he can get work to get a second income on the side to supplement his LTD. After a new contract, and several years of additional longevity accrued while on LTD, his pay rate is enough that he can come back, pull gear in the right seat of a 756, and make enough money to pay his bills.
Then brags about it all, and his brilliance, on an online forum.
Airmanship - 5.0
Judgement - 1.0
Credibiliy - 0.0
Recommend field promotion to Chief Pilot."
"25 year old ex-RJ FO who wasn't making enough money, takes a medical "out" so he can get work to get a second income on the side to supplement his LTD. After a new contract, and several years of additional longevity accrued while on LTD, his pay rate is enough that he can come back, pull gear in the right seat of a 756, and make enough money to pay his bills.
Then brags about it all, and his brilliance, on an online forum.
Airmanship - 5.0
Judgement - 1.0
Credibiliy - 0.0
Recommend field promotion to Chief Pilot."
10-22-2013 | 05:13 AM
#47
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I don't think in this case there is a big difference between displacement based training events, and vacancy based training. If a bunch of 767 FO's and Capts bump to 737 Capt, which is the airplane that will be replacing their fleet, in their base, that training event is the same.
If a super junior 737 Captain gets bumped, what is he going to be able to bump too? More than likely a 737 FO, which he is probably still qualified to fly with just a PC in the right seat, or maybe just a few more days of training.
When bumps start higher on the food chain, like during a big furlough, the snowball starts at the top. The snowball gets very big, very fast.
In this case, maybe not so much. IMHO.
I am surprised the company is sitting on that many excess 767 pilots getting paid not to fly. Since they all live in Denver anyway, why not sit around getting paid for nada? I would.
If a super junior 737 Captain gets bumped, what is he going to be able to bump too? More than likely a 737 FO, which he is probably still qualified to fly with just a PC in the right seat, or maybe just a few more days of training.
When bumps start higher on the food chain, like during a big furlough, the snowball starts at the top. The snowball gets very big, very fast.
In this case, maybe not so much. IMHO.
I am surprised the company is sitting on that many excess 767 pilots getting paid not to fly. Since they all live in Denver anyway, why not sit around getting paid for nada? I would.
Me too. It makes me wonder about LOA 23. Reserve Reset. Page 441 of the UPA. Basically, if we (ALPA) don't meet certain rsv ratios, we have to change the rules or pay a chunk of cash. It wouldn't surprise me if this was their stategy. It makes no sense, as they will lose more than they gain........but.....
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10-22-2013 | 06:19 AM
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Me too. It makes me wonder about LOA 23. Reserve Reset. Page 441 of the UPA. Basically, if we (ALPA) don't meet certain rsv ratios, we have to change the rules or pay a chunk of cash. It wouldn't surprise me if this was their stategy. It makes no sense, as they will lose more than they gain........but.....
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10-22-2013 | 10:33 AM
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10-22-2013 | 03:18 PM
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Yes she is.Whenever I use the word bump now days I also use the word surplus, they mean the same thing but I had an LCAL guy start to get all froggy on me in ops the other day when he overheard me talking about a bump bid. He thought it meant a flush bid.
LCAL dudes a "bump" bid is the what you'd call a "surplus" bid they are the same thing.
LCAL dudes a "bump" bid is the what you'd call a "surplus" bid they are the same thing.
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