Then provide a list.... I told you why CAL pilot culture is not desirable...and have asked what is CAL Legacy Pride. You are the only one that provided a reply which was.. it's fun to come to work, management like us.

can you quantify what you don't like about UAL pilot culture?

You are wrong. Longevity was added to ALPA merger policy. It does matter and was used in the arbitration ruling which was done with neutral arbitrators and was totally fair.

You were at 86.5% on October 1st 2010 on the CAL list. That was the list that included ALL CAL pilots even on furlough.

After the arbitration you ROSE up to 83.4% on the overall list.

So your relative seniority IMPROVED with the SLI.

You were placed with pilots hired in 1999 which was 7 years before you were hired.

Currently you are at 76% of the seniority list. Also, since you are only 35 years old, every single United Pilot who was actively flying will retire prior to you. You will retire at the same number as before except out of 12,500 pilots not 4,700 pilots.

You also merged with a airline that doesn't just fly a bunch of guppies. We actually have a lot of large jets. More than anyone in the industry, including the merged DAL/NWA.

So you went from 86% to 83% in a snap with the SLI and since 2010 you've jumped to 76%

Dude you have NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.

They wanted their management friendly scab loving culture to count in the award. Maybe they should change ALPA merger policy, because if scabbing or scab loving was in the policy, they'd have totally kicked butt in the SLI.

Wasn't the one that said "it's fun to come to work" however I used to agree with it. Don't like hatred of pay banding. I think done right it cuts down on commuters and frees people up to bid what they want not what they feel they should. Hate the holier (sp?) than thou attitude, that I have seen in more than quite a few. Don't like the, what seems like, hour long dept briefs. At some point y'all are just making this job harder than it has to be. Don't like your training mentality. I like the computer based , don't feel I need an instructor to tell me something that I can look up. Also don't need a 3rd day of sim training. Don't like wasting money on steak dinners and meet and greets for the family of new hires, this is a job not a fraternity. Dont like the constant battling of management on the stupidest ****. There are fights worth fighting than there is just being babies. Hate the it's never the pilots fault attitude. Your culture seems to be it's never safe to fly unless I have 30 hr layover in between legs. I don't like that you think being productive is bad and that flying over 70 hrs is just too darn tiring. But mostly I hate the never evolve mentality. The airline industry has changed, it's time you change with it. What was good for us twenty years ago doesn't necessarily add up today. A mature ALPA contract too me just means old not good.

I know it was added that is what I have a problem with. Longevity at your company should have nothing to do,with your seniority at a new company. We all made our choices where we worked. You seem to think there is a national seniority list, there's not.

Working at Wal-mart is a job. Being an ALPA member and professional airline pilot is most certainly a fraternity.

You have a lot to learn.

You also seem to have an enhanced sense of entitlement.

The pilots you are associated with have worked hard for years to maintain the profession so that young people like you can come in and have a career. We fought management, politicians, and most importantly took a stand as a group when the time came.

Not everyone was strong enough to take a stand. Some were weak and decided to sell out the profession for themselves. Those people are called scabs.

You don't have a profession because of scabs, you have one in spite of them.

I don't talk to scabs, and now that I know I don't talk to you either.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

the United pilots have the safety record to show for it.... on the CAL side... not so much....

You've listed personal differences, like Pepsi and Coke.... I meant United pilot cultural liabilities..... as I have listedon the CAL side....

Ben

I'm going to start out by telling you that I am a new hire and had no vote on the contract or the SLI.

I worked my ass off to get into this industry. I looked up to mainline pilots as heroes. I looked up every time an aircraft flew over. The glory of flying around the world is strong with me and that passion will never die. Do I get upset sometimes? yes. do I follow my contract to the letter? yes. Do I get things fixed that the MEL says are ok to fly with? yes if I feel I need it to do my job safely.

We are all elite we all should be proud of what we have accomplished. The general public gives us no respect anymore and we are the first ones to be thrown under the bus when anything happens. So let us respect each other. How about we take one night out of our long careers and pat ourselves on the back for our accomplishments. I would love to bring my wife (kids if I had them) to the training center and show them where I work. I know my wife is proud of me but how awesome would it be to have a nice dinner and a little ceremony to show that you are part of something bigger than just flying airplanes.....you are part of a family. The first day of class at "Continental" my brass was slid down the table to me in a plastic bag, at least the wings were on paper with my name on it. Just because we are already here and we didn't get the ceremony doesn't mean we have pee in everyones cheerios.

The only way to fix this culture is to create a new culture with the best from both worlds and something new. As a new hire and a long career ahead of me I have taken this mission upon myself. I am helping to create a great environment that I am proud to work in and others will want to join, with you (ben) being 35 years old I promise you you will see it and I hope you become a part of it. The new hires are a good group and are excited the CO guys have seen this and the UA guys will see it soon with 320 and 76T new hires. A culture change is coming to both sides of the fence and you can either embrace it or be an outcast.

I proudly walk through the airport as a professional and I smile at my family as they walk bye ( FAs, Agents, Rampers, Mechanics). I fly the plane as smoothly as I can and look for the good ride even if that means flying at 29,000 FT. I use DES NOW to start a more gradual descent instead of hitting the TOD and pitching over to 2500 FT/min. I have flown with your types Ben, the I just do my job and go home. Most of them think they are saving the company money by not caring about the passengers comfort. But Ill tell you what, making people have to clear their ears every 30 secs by falling out of the sky is not helping the company. People only remember the bad they never remember the good so don't give them anything to remember.

I hope for your sake Ben that you calm down and take a break and reflect on what a great world we live in and what a great life we truly have, you live in GUM for christ sake! next time your at cruise making $120 an hour on you're way to NRT remember your reading a news paper not stuck at a computer.

Good luck Ben your going to need it

Had you been an active participant on this forum over the last two years or so, you would know that I voted no. I was quite vocal and if you don't believe me, its all archived here.

Nice try. Nice tie.

He said its fun to come to work...not " mgt likes us"......