We've voted no at UAL before. This would have been a no contract most likely if SLI had been completed prior to the contact like DAL/NWA.

Like someone at CAL famously said "Contract come and go but SLI lasts forever."

That itself is the problem. New policy that cuddles the UAL pilots so they don't pull a us airways. You are hiding your windfall behind a policy that is unfair. You can claim bructia created it, but reread his testimony. He clearly states what his position on this was. I would just love to hear a logical reason a furloughed pilot should go ahead of an active pilot. 73 fo then and 73 fo now. Do you really believe it that's simple.

That's right keeping justifying your yes vote. Just admit reality. Your group has been beatin down so long, you couldn't see past the pay rates. I like the tough guy talk from UAL, sorry all the true colors came out. Fight management, yeah right, what a joke y'all are.

I see no windfall. Pilots at CAL were mostly paired with UAL pilots that had far greater seniority. The pilots ahead of me had less seniority pre-merger.

Now they have bonus seniority.

Can't hide behind awards, and "it's managements fault" forever. Kind of ironic, that ALPA's play at self preservation has actually created the most dysfunctional pilot group, that will not achieve unity for 20 yrs. the contract y'all so blindly voted in will be our contract for the next 10 yrs. if you think for one instant that I will ever stand united with this group you are sorely mistaken.

@Ben,

Did your father scab?

What seniority are you talking about. I hope it's not hire date. I will explain it again, please put on your listening ears. Your hire date at UAL, provided your schedule, seat, and aircraft. Ours did the same at cal. But it has no bearing when groups are merged. Airlines hire at different times, go through bankruptcies, buy and sell aircraft. Your years of service at your old company don't matter in a fair lists, only what you bring to the table, so to speak. ALPA changed that to help UAL pilots. Afraid they would be voted out if y'all weren't kept happy. I can't fathom how you don't see that. Did you lose your helmet again? Insurance only covers two a year please be more careful.

Yes. Hired in '77, crossed at some point not sure when.

The insecurities and denial are astounding...

The CAL pilots bring so much pilot culture baggage to this merger: scabs, management friendly union and pilots, profit sharing, delayed JCBA, skewed negotiations like pay banding which are valueless in SLI but we have to live with, incompetent reps (Pierce, Baron, Cook, Sally), egregious SLI proposals, misleading communications to pilots.. the list goes on....

And guys come on here arguing BS, without having the courage to own their baggage. Thinking if they keep arguing it will change reality...

Everything you just said is exactly how I feel about UAL. Like I said unity waived bye bye to this group the day SLI came out. And I will openly admit I will be fighting to keep it that way. Everyone enjoy your careers.