My point exactly, they aren't paying us. My time is worth a lot more to me than 52.5 cents. Isn't yours? Until I'm paid for "My time" I won't be doing their work for free..

 

I really am having a hard time understanding why we have to explain the rationale for not working until our duty time is scheduled to begin.

 

Shiny new jets??

 

CRM

History:
1978 a UAL DC8 crashed in PDX because it ran out of fuel. The reason? The Captain was so interested in being a hero he shut down his cockpit crew and let the airplane run out of fuel as he circled with 45 mins reserve fuel prepping the cabin for possible evac. The problem is with the gear down the DC8 didn't have 45 mins of fuel.

The FAA mandated CLR because of this "9 - 1" Captain crashed, killed many people and destroyed a perfectly good airplane.

The original CLR was a patented course taught at UAL emphasizing crew interaction and helping individuals identify their "style" of leadership and management. The current FAA mandated CRM is the evolution of this original course, but with little to no emphasis on personal recognition of leadership and management style. The "TEM," "Threat and Error Management," being taught at UAL today is merely a shell of the original program and fulfills FAA minimum mandated training.

Personally I see a return to the "McBroom" days of cockpit style where the F/O is considered just a "JFFO" by some "Buddys" who believe in their "superior" aviation skills and "experience."

But what do I know?

 

BTW Not to leave the CAL folks out of history.

In the same era of the UAL DC8 a retiring CAL Captain aborted a TO in LAX for a blown tire (correct me please for the reason if I'm wrong) on his retirement flight in a DC10. The airplane left the pavement and damaged the fuel tank with a fire quickly following.

The flight attendants multiple times disarmed doors causing delays in evacuation with the finale PAX and Crew exiting the burning airplane via the cockpit windows and ropes. Because of this accident and crew failures the UAL FAs even today do not disarm and open doors as a normal practice. Think motor memory skills when the proverbial stuff hits the fan. "I always disarm before opening the door."

Of course today I believe its the pilots, who can open the doors, whom cause the majority of the accidental slide deployments.

 

You have a good point. With guppy Captain being in the 9,000+ seniority range at every base, about 75% of the L-UAL 767 FOs can all hold it, and they don't need a new bid to go there, they just can bump out when their time comes to be displaced.

 

Something is getting shined.

 

Sorry but no bumps, just controlled vacancies and displacements thru staffing, retirments, and growth. Captains would just slide to other junior captain bases causing endless number of paid moves costing Company big time. Never going to happen. Sorry but 05/06 Captains will be Captains for their entire career.

 

Their entire career? Experience says no. Beer bet?

 

Just wait. I made Captain at the age of 35. That was 14 years ago. I thought the same thing. Until they parked my fleet.

If so, they are going to be on reserve their entire career.