Vacancy Bid 1404V
11-29-2013 | 03:22 PM
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As a U-hire, I can't tell you how many lCAL pilots have told me they are glad that we are here and Scabs are finally getting treated like they should be treated.
IMHO, yes, there are pluses and minuses to both pilot groups. The lCAL side has a vastly better attitude towards their job, each other, and other coworkers. I hope to $%#@ that the combined company adopts this, and doesn't retrograde back to the UAL that I left.
I would like to say training and standardization is much better at lUAL but that is not really an accurate statement. I doubt lUAL is that different from most other airlines. My opinion, and the opinion of every new hire and u-hire ( including a few ex-Feds) is that lCAL is really, really poor in this regard. This is not the fault of the individual pilot, but the leadership in flight department.
So going forward, I hope the combined pilot groups adopts the lCAL camaraderie and culture, and gets trained by, well not UAL, but simply industry standards.
And I hope that we, together, create a special little place in h$ll for scabs.
IMHO, yes, there are pluses and minuses to both pilot groups. The lCAL side has a vastly better attitude towards their job, each other, and other coworkers. I hope to $%#@ that the combined company adopts this, and doesn't retrograde back to the UAL that I left.
I would like to say training and standardization is much better at lUAL but that is not really an accurate statement. I doubt lUAL is that different from most other airlines. My opinion, and the opinion of every new hire and u-hire ( including a few ex-Feds) is that lCAL is really, really poor in this regard. This is not the fault of the individual pilot, but the leadership in flight department.
So going forward, I hope the combined pilot groups adopts the lCAL camaraderie and culture, and gets trained by, well not UAL, but simply industry standards.
And I hope that we, together, create a special little place in h$ll for scabs.
11-29-2013 | 04:00 PM
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CRM I don't see a lot of difference. Everybody seems like they want to get along.
FWIW, I think CAL is still suffering from the same affliction UAL had from 85-late 90's. UAL's training department wasn't the greatest either. After the strike, the scabs filled flight department and training department positions. What is a scab? Well, he couldn't get hired normally using his, aaheeeem, credentials. Very little real experience at a real airline at that time. That is why they crossed to get a job. They then take leadership roles, and pass along their poor experience to the rest of the airline. UAL had mostly fixed that by the late 90's, at least IMHO.
The CAL instructors we had all had great attitudes. Their leadership just failed them in the direction they are given. Easy fix, really.
CRM is on the CAL side is fine, and everyone wants to do a good job every day.
The attitude on the CAL side is great. I don't hate coming to work every day like I did at UAL.
As far as CCS vs Unimatic? Both are dinosaurs. I will take CCS by far.
FWIW, I think CAL is still suffering from the same affliction UAL had from 85-late 90's. UAL's training department wasn't the greatest either. After the strike, the scabs filled flight department and training department positions. What is a scab? Well, he couldn't get hired normally using his, aaheeeem, credentials. Very little real experience at a real airline at that time. That is why they crossed to get a job. They then take leadership roles, and pass along their poor experience to the rest of the airline. UAL had mostly fixed that by the late 90's, at least IMHO.
The CAL instructors we had all had great attitudes. Their leadership just failed them in the direction they are given. Easy fix, really.
CRM is on the CAL side is fine, and everyone wants to do a good job every day.
The attitude on the CAL side is great. I don't hate coming to work every day like I did at UAL.
As far as CCS vs Unimatic? Both are dinosaurs. I will take CCS by far.
11-29-2013 | 04:25 PM
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Probe, thanks for this perspective. Could you comment on the CRM comparison? I think this is a major area that often gets left out of these discussions. This is not a trick question and I won't even reply to your response. You have a unique view having worked in both systems and I'm very curious about it. Thanks.
11-29-2013 | 04:28 PM
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No offense, but this quote exactly is the difference between the two pilot groups. Your standard is "we haven't had a mishap yet, so we must be doing it right." Our is higher than this. Our strict adherence to SOP is something lacking in the black side of the airline. The L-UAL pilots flying on the CAL side are the best ones to ask about the differences because they have flown on both sides of the operation.
I don't think anyone on the black side is any worse a pilot than anyone on the blue side, but the attitude difference is definitely noticeable. It's a big deal on the blue side when one pilot doesn't follow SOP. I've been told on the guppy fleet there are "many" SOPs and you almost never know what to expect. That certainly doesn't happen on the blue side. If one pilot does something not SOP, it will be questioned to ensure what they are doing and that we are all playing by the same rules.
I don't think anyone on the black side is any worse a pilot than anyone on the blue side, but the attitude difference is definitely noticeable. It's a big deal on the blue side when one pilot doesn't follow SOP. I've been told on the guppy fleet there are "many" SOPs and you almost never know what to expect. That certainly doesn't happen on the blue side. If one pilot does something not SOP, it will be questioned to ensure what they are doing and that we are all playing by the same rules.
11-29-2013 | 04:38 PM
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11-29-2013 | 05:11 PM
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CRM I don't see a lot of difference. Everybody seems like they want to get along.
FWIW, I think CAL is still suffering from the same affliction UAL had from 85-late 90's. UAL's training department wasn't the greatest either. After the strike, the scabs filled flight department and training department positions. What is a scab? Well, he couldn't get hired normally using his, aaheeeem, credentials. Very little real experience at a real airline at that time. That is why they crossed to get a job. They then take leadership roles, and pass along their poor experience to the rest of the airline. UAL had mostly fixed that by the late 90's, at least IMHO.
The CAL instructors we had all had great attitudes. Their leadership just failed them in the direction they are given. Easy fix, really.
CRM is on the CAL side is fine, and everyone wants to do a good job every day.
The attitude on the CAL side is great. I don't hate coming to work every day like I did at UAL.
As far as CCS vs Unimatic? Both are dinosaurs. I will take CCS by far.
FWIW, I think CAL is still suffering from the same affliction UAL had from 85-late 90's. UAL's training department wasn't the greatest either. After the strike, the scabs filled flight department and training department positions. What is a scab? Well, he couldn't get hired normally using his, aaheeeem, credentials. Very little real experience at a real airline at that time. That is why they crossed to get a job. They then take leadership roles, and pass along their poor experience to the rest of the airline. UAL had mostly fixed that by the late 90's, at least IMHO.
The CAL instructors we had all had great attitudes. Their leadership just failed them in the direction they are given. Easy fix, really.
CRM is on the CAL side is fine, and everyone wants to do a good job every day.
The attitude on the CAL side is great. I don't hate coming to work every day like I did at UAL.
As far as CCS vs Unimatic? Both are dinosaurs. I will take CCS by far.
11-30-2013 | 05:05 AM
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As a new hire from a military background CRM and briefs are about right. Any more and it would approach the Air Force level of micro management. No thanks.
The trailer and cooler issue is a self fulfilling prophecy. Some Uhires showed up ****ed. Understandable after two furloughs. No trailers. Food was good. If you expected cooked to order eggs it wasn't up to that level.
Flight instructors were very good. Ground school instructors hit or miss. Wacky rotating sim times and systems ground school not so good.
My opinion and only a few months in is Most pilots are fine and all have an opinion on SLI. The outliers at lUAL are obnoxious and arrogant $&@?s. Already one very over the line confrontation with one ALUF (Angry Legacy United FO). Uncool. The outliers at lCON are greedy &$@?s who will work everyday and are helping to slow others from becoming Captains. Understand angst and need to make up for bad years, but those things aren't helping the point if this thread.
Which is more folks getting to move up.
Besides the outliers, happy to be here.
Besides that ALUF clown, everybody is somebody who is good to fly with and drink a beer with at the end of the day.
The trailer and cooler issue is a self fulfilling prophecy. Some Uhires showed up ****ed. Understandable after two furloughs. No trailers. Food was good. If you expected cooked to order eggs it wasn't up to that level.
Flight instructors were very good. Ground school instructors hit or miss. Wacky rotating sim times and systems ground school not so good.
My opinion and only a few months in is Most pilots are fine and all have an opinion on SLI. The outliers at lUAL are obnoxious and arrogant $&@?s. Already one very over the line confrontation with one ALUF (Angry Legacy United FO). Uncool. The outliers at lCON are greedy &$@?s who will work everyday and are helping to slow others from becoming Captains. Understand angst and need to make up for bad years, but those things aren't helping the point if this thread.
Which is more folks getting to move up.
Besides the outliers, happy to be here.
Besides that ALUF clown, everybody is somebody who is good to fly with and drink a beer with at the end of the day.
11-30-2013 | 06:59 AM
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Uhhh...those 10 minutes are mine. The company shortened the report time for middle of the trip days. If you count, it takes up to 4 different computer sign ons to flight plan. I can usually count on Sabre computers locking up at least twice--after trying 3 different computers in the first place.
I've had a bunch of gate agents lately want to close the door 15 minutes prior, and I've only been in the seat for 2-3 minutes. They are not happy. Talk to Jeff about the report times.
If the company doesn't want to pay me to be there earlier, that's fine with me. As stated earlier, I don't do company work on my time. That is time negotiated by my union. If the company won't pay me, I don't work. That's not being unprofessional, it's called a job!
I've had a bunch of gate agents lately want to close the door 15 minutes prior, and I've only been in the seat for 2-3 minutes. They are not happy. Talk to Jeff about the report times.
If the company doesn't want to pay me to be there earlier, that's fine with me. As stated earlier, I don't do company work on my time. That is time negotiated by my union. If the company won't pay me, I don't work. That's not being unprofessional, it's called a job!
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't ALPA and the company agree to that 45 minute report time? If they didn't then how did it get into the contract?
11-30-2013 | 07:13 AM
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As a new hire from a military background CRM and briefs are about right. Any more and it would approach the Air Force level of micro management. No thanks.
The trailer and cooler issue is a self fulfilling prophecy. Some Uhires showed up ****ed. Understandable after two furloughs. No trailers. Food was good. If you expected cooked to order eggs it wasn't up to that level.
Flight instructors were very good. Ground school instructors hit or miss. Wacky rotating sim times and systems ground school not so good.
My opinion and only a few months in is Most pilots are fine and all have an opinion on SLI. The outliers at lUAL are obnoxious and arrogant $&@?s. Already one very over the line confrontation with one ALUF (Angry Legacy United FO). Uncool. The outliers at lCON are greedy &$@?s who will work everyday and are helping to slow others from becoming Captains. Understand angst and need to make up for bad years, but those things aren't helping the point if this thread.
Which is more folks getting to move up.
Besides the outliers, happy to be here.
Besides that ALUF clown, everybody but the SCABS is somebody who is good to fly with and drink a beer with at the end of the day.
The trailer and cooler issue is a self fulfilling prophecy. Some Uhires showed up ****ed. Understandable after two furloughs. No trailers. Food was good. If you expected cooked to order eggs it wasn't up to that level.
Flight instructors were very good. Ground school instructors hit or miss. Wacky rotating sim times and systems ground school not so good.
My opinion and only a few months in is Most pilots are fine and all have an opinion on SLI. The outliers at lUAL are obnoxious and arrogant $&@?s. Already one very over the line confrontation with one ALUF (Angry Legacy United FO). Uncool. The outliers at lCON are greedy &$@?s who will work everyday and are helping to slow others from becoming Captains. Understand angst and need to make up for bad years, but those things aren't helping the point if this thread.
Which is more folks getting to move up.
Besides the outliers, happy to be here.
Besides that ALUF clown, everybody but the SCABS is somebody who is good to fly with and drink a beer with at the end of the day.
11-30-2013 | 07:18 AM
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