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Old 12-02-2013 | 04:38 PM
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Well, the first biggie was the CAL profit sharing award!
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Old 12-02-2013 | 04:44 PM
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Why would I file a grievance against that?
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Old 12-02-2013 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Benwarren
Everything you stated above is wrong and not sure where you get your info. 8 yrs I have never argued with a mechanic. If we want it fixed it gets fixed. Don't see the reason to delay pax for an auto throttle inop when it can be fixed on the overnight. Some things come up like weather, and we choose to have an Mel fixed. When those situations arise I never heard a thing about it. I don't even know what domestic I'd check is. Drop a copy of my medical in the v- file, never thought of that as a problem. I have never even owned a hat. Please don't get me started on driving away customers, the only thing I have done sense this merger is apologize to customers that they are now flying on UAL metal. What else you got?
Last time we tried to get cockpit 02 in IAH (45 minutes prior to departure, first flight of the day) they declined to give it to us because we were right at the absolute minimum for dispatch. The time they spent figuring that out was much longer than it takes an ORD mechanic to simply fill the bottle even when it is 2 degrees outside. We thought about putting a stop to the show right there, but decided to just write it up at the out station and have contract MX do it. They sure showed us.
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Old 12-02-2013 | 05:22 PM
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Well sorry that happened to you. I have never had that experience. Have talked to a few mechanics that have complained about the rudeness of the pilots. Heard it first hand from a 777 guy on the mtx freq. Wouldn't of helped in either if he talked to me like that. Sometimes how you go about things determines the end result. Just food for thought.
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Old 12-02-2013 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Benwarren
Well sorry that happened to you. I have never had that experience. Have talked to a few mechanics that have complained about the rudeness of the pilots. Heard it first hand from a 777 guy on the mtx freq. Wouldn't of helped in either if he talked to me like that. Sometimes how you go about things determines the end result. Just food for thought.
Write it up, call it in, look for a resolution that is satisfactory to the Captain and crew. What, do you include smooching noises too?
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Old 12-02-2013 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
What he posted is just some of the crap that we now have to endure as a result of Jeff's team running the show. We're being unnecessarily and punitively micromanaged while water floods the hold. All of it designed to get us to capitulate.

Note I used the term, "some". He took it easy.

Eight years and you don't know what a grievance is? I think that's pretty good evidence of the difference in the two cultures.

As far as driving away customers, many of the long time UAL high rollers are now flying DAL. That's a revenue problem, not a cost problem.

PS That's "since" the merger.

I am curious to see the grievance activity comparisons for the two groups at different time frames.... I am sure the company has binders of data on it......
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Old 12-02-2013 | 05:50 PM
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Write it up, call it in, look for a resolution that is satisfactory to the Captain and crew. What, do you include smooching noises too?
Don't think treating people with respect, is ass kissing. My point was you were writing something up that wasn't broken. How you handled the situation could of have something to do with your outcome.
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Old 12-02-2013 | 05:52 PM
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I am curious to see the grievance activity comparisons for the two groups at different time frames.... I am sure the company has binders of data on it......
Please explain why filing grievances is a measure of a pilot groups legacy. Ever think that maybe you just worked for a ****ty company, therefore you had a lot grievances to file.
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Old 12-02-2013 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Benwarren
Don't think treating people with respect, is ass kissing. My point was you were writing something up that wasn't broken. How you handled the situation could of have something to do with your outcome.
Ahh yes, but positions awarded in a SLI by Federal Arbitrators amounts to stealing jobs in your mind. Don't talk to me about respect. See you out on the line.
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Old 12-02-2013 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Benwarren
Please explain why filing grievances is a measure of a pilot groups legacy. Ever think that maybe you just worked for a ****ty company, therefore you had a lot grievances to file.
Having worked both... I know the least desirable company...

You are saying that CAL is a company with higher than average CBA compliance and had a union that wasn't management friendly....

I've been trying to get someone from CAL to articulate the positives of the CAL pilot culture... perhaps you can offer insight?
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