Uniform Update
 

The way my schedule works out with Vacay, I'm done wearing the black... while the new blue isn't desirable, its better than the status quo...

Hopefully we can get the Shield and Prop back in the near future if HR hasn't completely taken over the IT with Wings company....

Could always wear the old LUAL tie tack on your tie, lapel, or ID lanyard...

What's the date when everyone switches to the new uniform?

Could care less if the wings have a prop, meatball, tulip, or Texas Air on it. I just want my darn zip tie back.

Spoken like a true CAL... you can order the zip tie... but you have to pay for it... and according to CAL culture, that might be too much

Actually there is no zip tie available as of yet. From what I was told the 'color' scheme is apparently trade marked and holder is not interested in production. I hope you are right though.

BTW are you saying UAL culture encourages paying for uniform pieces? Is that why some are clamoring for bomber jackets in order to have something to wear on layovers? The 8th Air Force 1944 look is pretty sweet...

Zipties were on the website in different lengths, one of which I ordered 3 months ago. Haven't got it.

As posted above... the zip tie is available...

Not saying U-culture says that... we were provided two ties... I was told the company wasn't going to allow zip ties as one of the provided options... but its there... I was provided one tie and one pair of pants at CAL... you can see why these guys go to Penny's. But what do you expect working for a glorified regional....

I haven't seen any CAL guys in the UAL Bomber Jacket Regional airline pilot look... I did see a U guy at an outdoor mall with his jacket and wings on... very cheesy.

However, most of the CAL guys will go to Burlington Coat Factory, Goodwill or their closet and find a black leather... whatever jacket... have already seen that... :eek:

What's a zip tie?

Getting ready to start training, what's the word on this?

Dec.11, I think

Has a zipper built in.... instead of a clip on or traditional knot, when the facade knot is pulled up to the collar a zipper closes and holds the tie in place... basically easy on/off....

That is more than I wanted to type on zip ties.

I'm a a Luddite and I've been wearing clip-ons forever. They provide me with all the speed I need to get that thing off my neck (and back on, unfortunately).

Thanks for the explanation.

Something my 12 yo wears.

Well thank you Snarge. The option was not there the last time I gave the matter attention. This board can really be a swell thing once in a blue moon. Just for this, I'll happily lobby for a return to legacy UAL wings in the future.

Hey Snarge, kiss my grits. Did they only give you one tie and one pair of pants instead of two because they needed the extra material to go over your belly? :eek:

Is the general opinion of the new uniform good or bad? From my observation at my UAL buddies place the other night I was pretty let down to see the new vs old, especially when it comes to the wings. Well that was until I saw the thick gold bars matched up with the thin tie pin stripes that don't even match in color.

Other than the tie and the terrible epaulets I'm getting my clothes elsewhere. Perry Ellis or Ralph Lauren pants, 100% cotton shirts only, and I'll wear a black leather jacket in place of the coat so that I don't have to wear the hat, since the hat is only required with the coat. The leather jacket is an alternative to the coat, so leather jacket = no hat.

I think my new hat must have been lost in the mail.....

I have the leather coat, Ralph Lauren navy pants, shirts from "A Cut Above". I will wear the tie and epaulets provided by the company.

I don't know anyone who's gotten the hat yet. I got the rest back in July...

I recieved the hat back in September

Cannot wait to see my peers walking around in that silly-looking leather jacket. It looks especially good on the chubby ones.

I bought a nice leather jacket at Macy's. That's the one I wear when I fly.

Whenever Everyone gets their uniforms I guess

It may not be ideal, but I, for one, will wear the leather jacket for cold weather ops instead of the "gunny sack" overcoat they have offered. Nothing about this uniform is ideal, but gotta make do with what we have for now.

Long Merino Wool jobbie for me. Sans chapeau, unless I can find something really pimpin' that goes with black.


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Don't forget to voice your concerns to the Uniform committee after your first trip.... squeeky wheel gets the grease...

With the latest uniform update on CCS... I hope the CPO has the guts to crack down on the liberal uniform pieces... like that Macy's jacket or the NorthFace look....

I totally agree Snarge!! We have many people talking about professionalism on here, then in the next sentence talk about all the different pieces they are going to buy at all the different stores!! :eek: I'm not on here to say how much I love the Uniform (my 14yr old said that tie doesn't match and didn't they have anyone that could figure that out?) but, the company pays me to where the uniform THEY pick out!! I think it looks SO unprofessional to have 12,000 pilots all with different variations of the uniform!! Delta pilots ALL where the same uniform and seem to take pride in their appearance even though the " Double Breasted Suit" went out of style 15yrs ago!! I hope with the "new" uniform some guys will take pride in how they look!! Where the hat if you are in a jacket! No matter what you have heard, it's not the reason you are going bald!! ;)

The flight attendants have 14 variations of their uniform. They don't ever look the same.

Its not that big of a deal. In the Navy, some people wore flight suits, some khakis, some wore summer whites. We all looked different and professional.

The pax don't know or care. They want to get their safe, on-time, in the best seat they can get, for as little money as possible.

The double breasted suit can't be worn unbuttoned without looking really bad. I think that's part of the reason they chose it and is certainly why Delta pilots look uniformly consistent and professional.

While I think they've got the sharpest uniforms in the industry, I'm all about easy and as you allude to, the extra buttons add a layer of difficulty. Within reason, I couldn't care less about the uniform style. Just about anything currently in the industry works fine for me. I get the complaints about quality, to an extent. Style... not so much.

Anybody have a picture of the new getup?

....Disregard. Just used google and solved my own problem.

It looks like Continental and Northwest got together and then stole a United tie

I agree. I think the double breasted suit was a way to force a non-sloppy look. It creates a professional consistency across the pilot group. For the pilots though it looks like it's more trouble and less comfortable. No worries. Leather jackets work fine.

The uniform and our appearance sure are important! Ten bucks says those dudes who parked the triple in the SFO infield looked GREAT as they boarded the jet on the other side of the globe. They probably were wearing their hats when they clipped the seawall!

And those Qatar guys who did the static run-up-jump? I'll bet they looked good too. Very snappy dressers those guys.

So you're telling me that the Navy would allow you to go to Wal-Mart and buy a pair of Khakis that may or may not match what they issue? And if you tell me that there isn't some Captain of a ship if he saw said Officer wouldn't read him the riot act, I'll just say I don't believe you!! And as far as different STYLE of uniforms, thats not what I was talking about- they were issued by the Company. Finally, if you don't think the Pax care about how you look I think you're living under a rock! ALL the group of my Friends/Business Men in my group (2 of them are 1K frequent flyers) talk about their flying experience!! What the plane looks like old or new, how the Crew looks both physically and dressed! Is this profiling, ABSOLUTELY! As far as the safety aspect, I along with you wish this drove more flying choices. Unfortunately, I don't think this crosses their mind that often otherwise, many Asian/African carriers would be out of business. They just look at the A/C, the crew and the food and see's how much it's going to cost them! They expect safety for FREE!;)

This isn't the Navy Capt Stubing... Really... what he said


You be cocky and arrogant, even when you're getting beat. -Crash Davis.

I'm also curious to see compliance levels of hat-wearing and whether or not the CP's are going to have the balls to enforce the FOM.

You can talk about how appearance has nothing to do with professionalism all day long, but any display of willful non-compliance is a symptom of a weak culture and an undisciplined mind.

Or a display of 'civil disobedience'.... as long as its done collectively... and I'm not talking NorthFace

Oh I'll take this bet. Most on the forums talk a big talk. I think you are going to see at least an 85% compliance with the hat. It will be that low cause the hat distro is so dorked up.