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01-10-2014 | 08:59 PM
#42
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Man spending years at the regional and now coming on property here has really been unbelievable! reading all these threads about our company makes me feel like I'm flying at a regional again. Everything so far (except for the 737 training and the super unintuitive ccs program) has been great. I really enjoy the crews I fly with and trips I fly. All you new guys coming on are gonna love it!
Sincerely,
Bob
Sincerely,
Bob
01-10-2014 | 09:03 PM
#43
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with regards to training....it is a welcome break from the line and a little short of vacation. I hear the sUAL guys complaining about the 737 training. It's a joke. No you are not being patted on the back for knowing whatever that alternate flaps thing does, or the standby power check. an ILS is an ILS. Park jet go home drink beer and talk about something else. Truly a joke. They can take the 6 weeks and make it 3, but some guys want 12 weeks. I went out every other night...should have went out every night.....meanwhile back in the crew room you will stand there listening to your CA mentoring about the weather between LAX and SFO. You are going anyway........but I digress..
01-10-2014 | 11:19 PM
#45
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I have always considered training a bit of a vacation. I have an adult beverage most nights during training. I have 4 types and an FE from UAL, and one from CAL.
I will skip the gory details. The big paintbrush is this:
UAL:
After 4 weeks and little stress, excellent standardization, and great instructors, I felt very knowledgeable and passed my check ride. I stayed in a nice hotel, downtown, with lots of stuff to do.
CAL:
After 6 weeks, a little stress caused by zero standardization, and also with great instructors, I passed my check ride. If this was my first 121 rating course I would say at the end I would have had extremely poor knowledge of systems, and what is and is not important to know. My U-hire sim partner and myself shook our heads in disbelief for most of the 6 weeks. I stayed 8 weeks in a nice hotel, in an industrial/slum part of IAH, with very little within walking distance.
The CAL instructors (pilots) all had great attitudes. But the "system" in which they worked simply didn't require any standardization.
I will skip the gory details. The big paintbrush is this:
UAL:
After 4 weeks and little stress, excellent standardization, and great instructors, I felt very knowledgeable and passed my check ride. I stayed in a nice hotel, downtown, with lots of stuff to do.
CAL:
After 6 weeks, a little stress caused by zero standardization, and also with great instructors, I passed my check ride. If this was my first 121 rating course I would say at the end I would have had extremely poor knowledge of systems, and what is and is not important to know. My U-hire sim partner and myself shook our heads in disbelief for most of the 6 weeks. I stayed 8 weeks in a nice hotel, in an industrial/slum part of IAH, with very little within walking distance.
The CAL instructors (pilots) all had great attitudes. But the "system" in which they worked simply didn't require any standardization.
01-11-2014 | 01:04 AM
#46
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From: Somewhere in a hollowed out hole...yet with broadband
Went thru TK in 2/08 and IAH in 10/12 both on the 737. The two programs are very different in their approach yet get you to the same place in the end (hopefully), a passed check ride. Without getting emotional on the two here are my observations:
1. Facilities - DEN is like a small college campus while IAH is like a Flight Safety building. I preferred the atmosphere in DEN. It was easy to find a study room or FTD to run on your own time. Not too mention the cafeteria along with History on display in TK. I have to say also that Doris in DEN is by far the nicest lady you will ever encounter in this business. She goes out of her way to make you feel like your part of a very special family.
2. Equipment - IAH has the edge with regards to newer SIMs, basic audio/visual equipment, and PCs. DEN was still using VHS tapes and most PCs were yellowing from age. You could tell capital was short thru/ after their bankruptcy. DEN did give you the ability to run the empty FTDs on your own which was a plus.
3. Ground School (Systems) - completely different approach. Cal with the CBT, teach yourself answers to the test method. UAL with traditional classroom/instructor, build the airplane from scratch method. I definitely felt more knowledgeable coming out of the traditional method.
4. FTD/SIMs - once again different approach. CAL had multiple FTDs/SIMs with a different instructor almost every session. This did provide the opportunity for getting different perspectives and methods however did prove challenging with regards to "standardization". At UAL I remember having the same instructor throughout which made standardization a non factor and seemed to help a little bit with tailoring lessons to weak areas from previous lessons.
5. Schedules - CAL schedules were much more fluid due to the amount of training and available SIMs/Instructors. UAL schedules were pretty solid and seemed to be more commuter friendly.
6. Instructors - I must say I thought the guys in both buildings were both knowledgable, friendly, and were there too help if asked. There were some absolutely GREAT instructors in both buildings. I will add though that there were a couple of higher ups in IAH that I personally did not care for, but I'm sure they didn't care for some of us.
All in all both programs are there to get you through and to the line. They just do it in different ways coming from different past practices. I'm a United guy at heart so I'm biased but there are great people in both buildings that are there to get you thru and help make you a better pilot.
1. Facilities - DEN is like a small college campus while IAH is like a Flight Safety building. I preferred the atmosphere in DEN. It was easy to find a study room or FTD to run on your own time. Not too mention the cafeteria along with History on display in TK. I have to say also that Doris in DEN is by far the nicest lady you will ever encounter in this business. She goes out of her way to make you feel like your part of a very special family.
2. Equipment - IAH has the edge with regards to newer SIMs, basic audio/visual equipment, and PCs. DEN was still using VHS tapes and most PCs were yellowing from age. You could tell capital was short thru/ after their bankruptcy. DEN did give you the ability to run the empty FTDs on your own which was a plus.
3. Ground School (Systems) - completely different approach. Cal with the CBT, teach yourself answers to the test method. UAL with traditional classroom/instructor, build the airplane from scratch method. I definitely felt more knowledgeable coming out of the traditional method.
4. FTD/SIMs - once again different approach. CAL had multiple FTDs/SIMs with a different instructor almost every session. This did provide the opportunity for getting different perspectives and methods however did prove challenging with regards to "standardization". At UAL I remember having the same instructor throughout which made standardization a non factor and seemed to help a little bit with tailoring lessons to weak areas from previous lessons.
5. Schedules - CAL schedules were much more fluid due to the amount of training and available SIMs/Instructors. UAL schedules were pretty solid and seemed to be more commuter friendly.
6. Instructors - I must say I thought the guys in both buildings were both knowledgable, friendly, and were there too help if asked. There were some absolutely GREAT instructors in both buildings. I will add though that there were a couple of higher ups in IAH that I personally did not care for, but I'm sure they didn't care for some of us.
All in all both programs are there to get you through and to the line. They just do it in different ways coming from different past practices. I'm a United guy at heart so I'm biased but there are great people in both buildings that are there to get you thru and help make you a better pilot.
01-11-2014 | 03:52 AM
#47
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Joined: Mar 2006
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I have always considered training a bit of a vacation. I have an adult beverage most nights during training. I have 4 types and an FE from UAL, and one from CAL.
I will skip the gory details. The big paintbrush is this:
UAL:
After 4 weeks and little stress, excellent standardization, and great instructors, I felt very knowledgeable and passed my check ride. I stayed in a nice hotel, downtown, with lots of stuff to do.
CAL:
After 6 weeks, a little stress caused by zero standardization, and also with great instructors, I passed my check ride. If this was my first 121 rating course I would say at the end I would have had extremely poor knowledge of systems, and what is and is not important to know. My U-hire sim partner and myself shook our heads in disbelief for most of the 6 weeks. I stayed 8 weeks in a nice hotel, in an industrial/slum part of IAH, with very little within walking distance.
The CAL instructors (pilots) all had great attitudes. But the "system" in which they worked simply didn't require any standardization.
I will skip the gory details. The big paintbrush is this:
UAL:
After 4 weeks and little stress, excellent standardization, and great instructors, I felt very knowledgeable and passed my check ride. I stayed in a nice hotel, downtown, with lots of stuff to do.
CAL:
After 6 weeks, a little stress caused by zero standardization, and also with great instructors, I passed my check ride. If this was my first 121 rating course I would say at the end I would have had extremely poor knowledge of systems, and what is and is not important to know. My U-hire sim partner and myself shook our heads in disbelief for most of the 6 weeks. I stayed 8 weeks in a nice hotel, in an industrial/slum part of IAH, with very little within walking distance.
The CAL instructors (pilots) all had great attitudes. But the "system" in which they worked simply didn't require any standardization.
01-11-2014 | 04:11 AM
#48
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Joined: Dec 2007
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with regards to training....it is a welcome break from the line and a little short of vacation. I hear the sUAL guys complaining about the 737 training. It's a joke. No you are not being patted on the back for knowing whatever that alternate flaps thing does, or the standby power check. an ILS is an ILS. Park jet go home drink beer and talk about something else. Truly a joke. They can take the 6 weeks and make it 3, but some guys want 12 weeks. I went out every other night...should have went out every night.....meanwhile back in the crew room you will stand there listening to your CA mentoring about the weather between LAX and SFO. You are going anyway........but I digress..
Quite possibly the dumbest things I have ever read on the boards.
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