PV;
When I arrived in Houston I went to the Hotel lobby bar for a burger. There were a dozen or so pilots going through training there. There was one topic of discussion - IAH training, and how poor it was. That dominated most pilot discussions for the next 8 weeks. This included every single student, whether U-hire, new hire, etc. The newbie ex-military guys didn't know what to expect so they didn't say much.

The U-hires you are flying with are just being polite and exercising good CRM. I don't have to do either on an internet board.

Again, this is nothing against the individual pilot instructors, but the poor system that they work under. The instructors all had good attitudes.

 

All in due time and your side sucks and our side is better will change.

 

So you think they where being polite. And good CRM to me means don't BS me. Well, maybe but more likely could it be that if you get bunch of uhires together that there going to ***** about anything. I get it, this group has had a rough time. Hired fifteen years ago, double furlough, called back by another airline, then fly with Captains who where hired when you where or well after. I get it, but get them one on one and get an honest assessment and it's a different tune. The most important think in training is new top of the line sims and instructors. The rest is fluff that can be easily fixed. I'm sure the system will be adjusted and the food quality will improve with time as the flow of training thru HTC will increase. If the burgers still suck then go fly the bus at TK.

 

Another U-hire here. The assessment of training that is on this thread is very accurate. I had better training at a regional than I got in IAH.

Is that a new chapter of CRM? Don't BS you about the quality of training? Part of CRM is teamwork, so how much teamwork is there going to be if I spill my guts to some overly sensitive ex-Con about their crappy training program...get real.

 

I think you're the overly sensitive one. Sorry you had a poor experience in training. My experience has been good, brand new top of the line sims with quality instructors that want you to learn and succeed. I suggest sending an e-mail to the Houston 737 TC with your issues, they do want to create a top quality training experience from friends I know in the department. If it's still not up to your standards, no worries, you can always bid the bus.

 

So if you are a new hire what to make of all of this? You are going to TK for Indoc. Didn't do that but nice building. If you go 737 you are coming back to IAH to train. If you are a Uhire you probably won't like it, but the uhires I talked to who went through United 72FE say you just might. If you did 73 back before furlough 1or 2 it is a type ride course not a right seat only course. No spoon feeding, others words who experienced it, not mine. They give you the script of every flight ahead of time. They do not vary from it. Briefs are not hard at all .

If you are a Regional background, probably split view. The hotel, per diem, and full paycheck tends to jump out at you though. RJ folks in general smoke the program.

If you are military you will laugh at the amount of butthurt. Great comment in thread it is more Navy like than Air Force. To extend that not like Navy flight
school, more like FRS specific airplane training with more technique included. Except no surprises from the script.

Have posted already what needed improvement. They taught me pretty well to fly the plane.

Look forward to all the improvements our new pilot leadership will bring.

Care more that the company leadership figures out how to have higher margins so we all make money and never get furloughed.

 

Lol, I plan on bidding back to the bus when I get a chance, Chief. Thanks for your input. Time will tell what happens to the training department.

 

Excellent post!

 

PV must be one of the very junior instructors at IAH that started each brief with "it is not a guppy anymore, it is a real airplane".

The vast majority of lCAL pilots I fly with complain about flying a guppy as much as I do. They also say IAH training sucks. Their exact comment is "that is the way it has always been."

Time to change it. Unfortunately that will involve a lot of turf wars between the training center.

PS. UAL 727 FE training WAS the worst training I ever received prior to this year. It got bumped down to second.

 

Of course the pilots will complain about the 73, cramped cockpit and archaic overhead and systems. But it makes money and that's what counts, cant argue with that. That's what we are in business for.

There are valid complaints mostly about the logistical details (mostly the food), but the actual training I got has always been good.