737-900 Wow!
#131
Banned
Joined APC: Aug 2010
Position: next to chronic complainers...
Posts: 364
Interesting last couple of posts...I thought the MAX ( and final ) 737 edition also sucks the engine a few inches higher on the pylon to compensate for a slightly larger fan diameter...anyone got details?
I wager an adult beverage that there will be an all new design 797 to fill the gap between the 737 and the 787...but just not yet...
I wager an adult beverage that there will be an all new design 797 to fill the gap between the 737 and the 787...but just not yet...
"New" wing will be just slightly more curved up and equipped with Scimitar type winglet for efficiency.
Flight deck will be the same POS uncomfortable 1950s style, with the same overhead panel and central pedestal with a difference of 4 (B787 OLED displays) for "dramatic" style improvement, Boeing claims lower weight and cost for MX and system software upgrades.
The same overhead switch b!tch panel, and even the existing "high-tech" incandescent lightbulb equipped RECALL panels, and YES, your lovely cruise ship style f...ing trim wheel.
Overall, B737Max will be the same POS B737 since 1950s with improvements in range and efficiency between 5-8% (Boeing claims 13% lower fuel and carbon emissions then 737NG, 8% lower fuel cost over NG, and 99.7% reliability), achieved largely due to more efficient engines and wingtip. Bottom line same parts, type, and extra fuel savings = profits, and I think thats the most important in this business - stay profitable.
Personally, I don't like this plane, mainly do to lack of creature comfort on the flight deck and yes in the back for pax. It's noisy, and small; system automation and Central Crew information does not exist here, those Glass panels are nice but have nothing to do with modern EFIS, IECAS, ECAM, etc. The RECALL panel in B737 is a f.... joke, especially that at the time of RECALL half of them don't light up anyway.
I have flown A320s fifes and believe they are much better product in terms of comfort for both pilots and PAX, the extra 7.5 inches in width are significant, flight deck ECAM is nice especially for system troubleshooting, and yes I'm missing my retractable table for crew meals.
Boeing could have done the same with B757 and call it NG and that would have been a better deal, but nobody have asked me (see Islandair and FedEx B757 retrofitted with glass panels below B737Max pics)
However, at the end it's all about this airline competitiveness and profits, my paycheck and longevity of employment, and I don't give a rat's a$$ which plane do they buy to achieve it as long as they keep coming and we are keep hiring.
#133
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,253
Funny story....
I have been back on the 737 for about a month and have had ALL those things happen with the 900ER. (I'm senior in base/seat so I tend to see mostly the 900ER because its mission tends to reflect my bidding preferences.)
I guess it's just bad luck on my part? Glad to hear that it's not the norm.
I have been back on the 737 for about a month and have had ALL those things happen with the 900ER. (I'm senior in base/seat so I tend to see mostly the 900ER because its mission tends to reflect my bidding preferences.)
I guess it's just bad luck on my part? Glad to hear that it's not the norm.
#134
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: B777 FO
Posts: 240
Yeah, maybe Hawaii....when they tried replacing the 757 with all Guppies in OGG. 1% of the operation, but weight restricted on almost every OGG flight....with no way to get people home. wonderful management. So to fix it, let's put the 757-300 into OGG. Oh, that's weight restricted too?? Departed with fewer pax than the 757-200's.
Not really a slam on either plane--they never should have been put on that rt, but more on management's inability to do their jobs.
Not really a slam on either plane--they never should have been put on that rt, but more on management's inability to do their jobs.
#135
The 737 is an efficient machine for its intended purpose....I'm just disappointed to see UCH trying to use it on missions where its Achilles' heel is directly exposed.
#136
Long ago, I remember hearing many American guys moan like you wouldn't believe at how wrong it was to see the 'Super 80' replace the 707 and 727. Hoss is continuing that tradition I suppose.
Nothing could be further from the truth. I fully understand that the 737 is the future and I accept it. But that in no way diminishes the fact that the 737-900 is a HUGE step backwards and an under capable POS. Fact is a fact, and Boeing has simply tried to wring to much from this tired old design.
#138
Hoss,
You're wasting your breath.
The company should be using all those new (ancient, uncomfortable both in the cabin and cockpit) guppies to reclaim flying ceded to Express and keeping the ancient, inefficient and uncomfortable (in the back) yet supremely capable 757's for the city pairs which demand the Testarossa.
These guys have squandered a fantastic opportunity to go head to head with DAL by scrapping RJs and moving mainline aircraft back into markets shat upon in the past. I'm so jaded, I expect more of the same.
More malbec.
You're wasting your breath.
The company should be using all those new (ancient, uncomfortable both in the cabin and cockpit) guppies to reclaim flying ceded to Express and keeping the ancient, inefficient and uncomfortable (in the back) yet supremely capable 757's for the city pairs which demand the Testarossa.
These guys have squandered a fantastic opportunity to go head to head with DAL by scrapping RJs and moving mainline aircraft back into markets shat upon in the past. I'm so jaded, I expect more of the same.
More malbec.
#139
#140
Perhaps more emphasis needs to be placed on revenue and less on cheap pizza? DAL earned 4 bucks for every ONE we earned last year. Are their costs astronomically less than ours? Nah.
Cheap pizza sucks. I ate Little Caesars ONCE.
Does anyone have any idea of what the monthly lease payment is on a brand new 737 verses the payment on a 757 that UAL has had on the books for the last twenty years?
Cheap pizza sucks. I ate Little Caesars ONCE.
Does anyone have any idea of what the monthly lease payment is on a brand new 737 verses the payment on a 757 that UAL has had on the books for the last twenty years?
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