How about this. We just let them keep the retro but we can put a 777 ratio fence that comes down with the 787 fence.

 

I haven't seen the whole thing. Just what was quoted in the ALPA press release

 

How about you give me a couple grand and then we can move on

 

I agree with your take on the contract, the profit sharing was not in the contract, it was a side agreement to end an outstanding 767 grievance and the arbitrator ruled correctly. That said, I did not take a penny from any other pilot. If you would feel better at night if we had to give the money back then so be it. I understand you were probably thinking this meant another check for the UAL guys but in the end the only option was to take our away and give it back to Jeff.

 

Agreed, but unless the suit has grown, how many plaintive are there? 6? Out of how many?

 

All I want is a company whose business plan is not dependent of deceit. Now think about it....the UCH lawyers had this under their sleeve from the beginning. Make the proposed "solution" for their transgressions something so unpalatable to the combined MEC that we would reject it. Then they win when they lose! Time to line up all the GD lawyers, one in front of the other, so we don't waste too many bullets.

Hey, anyone ever think about this solution? Next profit sharing check have the UAL pilots get a higher percentage than the CAL pilots so UAL pilots get back their rightful and contractually mandated share? Let me guess who wouldn't like THAT idea!

So if I were sold a TV stolen from my brother (and I knew it was stolen) and the cops come by and say they caught, prosecuted and convicted the scumbag that who sold it to me....I still get to keep the TV, right? Heck why not invite my brother over to watch his TV? That's fair.....in some twisted book...by the same author who wrote the CAL ISL proposal, right?

I should post my checking account number so those on the southern side of the cockpit can access my account and bypass all this next time they think they deserve my $$.

There will forever be a stench upon the southern boys and girls in the cockpits of UCH and no amount of soap and scrubbing will remove it....and if they are OK with that, then so be it! We can pontificate about unity and one pilot group BUT that stink will never go away. But then where do most of the (s)tinky pilots reside....you know, the (s)tinky pilots from down south who crossed lines in the mid 80's? Can't use the real S word anymore! Remember ALPA's famous Ode to the (S)tinkers?

If UCH is so interested in a split pilot group, for some drug induced reason, thinking that it benefits the airline, then detox will never cure this. I'm looking forward to the Jeff's Gotta Go pins, just as much as the "Employee-friendly" posters. If Glenn was evil, then Jeff's is Satan himself. Where is the Gardener when you need him?

Just Saying!

 

I would feel better if they didn't just say "Oh Well, we tried" and be done. I never advocated taking from CAL pilots. This stinks like the Bond Allocation. What the hell. It's only money.

 

That grievance hasn't been settled yet. The charge is that the LUAL profit sharing pool was diluted by the LCAL inclusion. The arbitration on that had not occurred.

However, whatever the arbitrator decides there is good enough for me. The process is the process. The fact that we didn't get any restitution on this grievance is upsetting, but I don't blame ALPA. They fought for it and the arbitrator ruled for the company. So be it. And I'm DAMNED glad we decided not to take the money back from LCAL. That wouldn't have done ANYBODY any good except ole Jeff

 

The upsetting part is not that we weren't awarded any restitution. The upsetting part is the guilty party has once again been conditioned to believe the contract can be violated at will without any fear of a deterring verdict. Violate the contract and the worse they'll get is a cease and desist.

 

Welcome to Jeff's world. It's a company of lawyers run by a lawyer. Remember our leader chose to basically sue the CAL pilots the day after we merged to allow United 70 seaters on our company code. We won and got nothing, they just changed how they operated. They still openly flew those aircraft on our routes.