Originally Posted by EWRflyr

The vacation bidding is the easiest to address:

If by "our normal bidding cycle" you mean the schedule that was in the previous L-CAL contract, than sorry it doesn't exist and isn't the "normal bidding cycle" now.

L-CAL pilots had the same opportunity to bid for their vacation as L-UAL pilots because we are all United pilots under one vacation bidding system. I was able to bid all my vacation under the current bidding cycle.

The vacation bidding process was a complete cluster and mess from the beginning. As a result it was rushed and "fixed" and reworked as the bidding process went along. That is ALL the company's fault and everyone was affected by it. I would agree that the rushed process caused bidding errors and a bit of confusion though.

Unity is what people make of it. I am looking forward. I have welcomed all pilots onto the flight. I have gone out of my way to help L-UAL pilots when they have asked me questions. I will not be part of pilots suing pilots either because an outcome wasn't something someone liked. I will not be a miserable person going forward and take it out on my fellow pilots. Unity takes work and effort. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we don't make the choice to move forward as one pilot group to make this airline succeed. Right now management is doing plenty on its own to mess things up; they certainly don't need our help in doing the same.

Originally Posted by El Gwopo

Hey EWR,
Quick question. Is your senority in the top third, middle third, or bottom third. You see, I have noticed that pin wear-age and unity corresponds directly with what "third" you are in.

Originally Posted by jsled

PAC...NAI's scheme to fly under an Irish certificate (flag of convenience) is a BIG deal. You can help fight this and the next threat to our careers with an Alpa PAC contribution. Sign up for the Century Club ($8.34/mo), Capitol Club ($20/month), President's Cirlce ($41.67/month), or splurge for the the Behncke Cirle ($83.34/month). It's easy, cheap, and effective. In Washington, money talks, BS walks. Just do it!

That is all.

Originally Posted by El Gwopo

Hey EWR,
Quick question. Is your senority in the top third, middle third, or bottom third. You see, I have noticed that pin wear-age and unity corresponds directly with what "third" you are in.

Originally Posted by sovt

Lets see. I'm support an organization that on a regular basis has done everything they can to harm my career.

I won't even go into my pre SLI career (26 years in good standing) and the harm that was done there by bad policy decisions. Lets look post SLI.



The company recalled you in place. You don't work for ALPA



BAT is an acceptable solution to a complicated problem.
1. The 756 and 76T will be one fleet after modifications
2. 90% of the 76T fleet is going away
3. BAT allows pilots of existing bases to bid over to the 756/76T and exercise their seniority much like they would be able to in PBS if the fleets were combined. Not perfect, but pretty good.



NO new 757/767 bases are being created without a vacancy bid. The BAT bids are in bases with existing 76T and/or 756 flying.



see EWRfly's post above.
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I hope you reconsider. We will need to be unified when we start negotiations.

Originally Posted by jsled

Your response above may make you feel better but the truth of the matter is that the BAT, recall in place.... We're designed and approved by ALPA to get L-UAL pilots to a better place that otherwise would have taken years to get to. Obviously at the expense of L-CAL pilots.

L-UAL ALPA has a long history of screwing other pilot groups to better themselves. These events just continue this long and dispicable history.

Originally Posted by jumppilot

I joined online for $50 a month after reading a convincing piece by a rep but haven't seen any payroll deductions.

Does anyone know how long it takes to kick in? I joined 2 months ago.

Originally Posted by sovt

I guess you haven't been paying attention over the past 3 years. Fact of the matter is we are not going to willingly give you something you are not entitled to. The company gave you guys a 3 year head start on the Captain grab and you guys continue to complain that you didn't get to steal enough. Bet you signed-on to UAL seniority do over lawsuit - you are not going to win. You can regurgitate what you read on the internet but facts bear out that UAL ALPA has done far more for the pilot profession and that includes CAL and the CAL era prior to Lorenzo. If you think you got screwed, you have to ask yourself if you were really entitled.

Originally Posted by hopeSales

In my 27+ years of airline flying including, three major airlines, two bankruptcy filings, three mergers, three difficult contract negotiations and three furloughs I have never seen or heard of the kind of stuff that has gone on here.

What you guys have conviently forgotten is UAL was dead in the water without CAL. I know you don't wish to hear it but facts are facts. Your company had not invested in their product for over a decade. Aircraft that were marginally maintained much less upgraded.

You guys continually harp about JP being the bad guy. Well at least he fought for the group he was charged to represent. Now that we have one MEC I'm sure I can count on them representing one group; the former L-UAL group

In closing, I am not part of any suit. For a number of reasons it is destined to fail. As to your premiss that the UAL ALPA has done wonders for the pilot profession, well, you are delusional. Remember the summer of 2000. Great job. You guys got the general public, the legal profession and congress so ****ed off that the thought of any work action by any group gets shut down in court. Great job guys.

Originally Posted by jumppilot

I joined online for $50 a month after reading a convincing piece by a rep but haven't seen any payroll deductions.

Does anyone know how long it takes to kick in? I joined 2 months ago.