Unity and the PAC
04-09-2014, 07:43 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by jsled
Yes. I was refering to the L-UAL scabs. They cannot and do not wear an ALPA pin because they know they will be called out on it. On the CAL side all was forgiven, the way I understand it, when they re-certified (I didn't say forgotten, just forgiven).
But this is not a scab thread, this is a unity thread. There is no reason to walk around with a slick tie. It shows disunitiy and it ticks people off who are supposed to be on your team.
But this is not a scab thread, this is a unity thread. There is no reason to walk around with a slick tie. It shows disunitiy and it ticks people off who are supposed to be on your team.
Also, without a doubt, unity left the building a while ago. LCAL guys come on here, find out what you don't like, and do it. You think you are shaming or intimidating people but you are achieving the opposite effect. There is a HUGE unity problem here. Most guys who aren't wearing their pin are very young. I really don't see a solution. Do you?
04-09-2014, 07:48 AM
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[QUOTE=sovt;1620041]Lets see. I'm support an organization that on a regular basis has done everything they can to harm my career.
I won't even go into my pre SLI career (26 years in good standing) and the harm that was done there by bad policy decisions. Lets look post SLI.
The company recalled you in place. You don't work for ALPA
BAT is an acceptable solution to a complicated problem.
1. The 756 and 76T will be one fleet after modifications
2. 90% of the 76T fleet is going away
3. BAT allows pilots of existing bases to bid over to the 756/76T and exercise their seniority much like they would be able to in PBS if the fleets were combined. Not perfect, but pretty good.
NO new 757/767 bases are being created without a vacancy bid. The BAT bids are in bases with existing 76T and/or 756 flying.
see EWRfly's post above.
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I hope you reconsider. We will need to be unified when we start negotiations.
I won't even go into my pre SLI career (26 years in good standing) and the harm that was done there by bad policy decisions. Lets look post SLI.
1. In place recall. Sole effect, harm L-CAL pilots.
2. BAT. Sole effect, harm L-CAL pilots.
1. The 756 and 76T will be one fleet after modifications
2. 90% of the 76T fleet is going away
3. BAT allows pilots of existing bases to bid over to the 756/76T and exercise their seniority much like they would be able to in PBS if the fleets were combined. Not perfect, but pretty good.
3. Open new 757 bases without allowing L-CAL pilots to bid them. Sole effect, harm L-CAL pilots.
4. Not allowing L-CAL pilots to bid all our vacation in our normal bidding cycle. Sole effect, harm L-CAL pilots.
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Yup, you guys want unity. Good luck.
04-09-2014, 08:14 AM
#13
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Twice furloughed legacy United pilot and 25 year ALPA member at 4 different airlines. I do wear my ALPA pin, but despise the organization. My ALPA brother and sisters voted to prevent me from partaking in the bond distribution, they refused to lower the cap on flying to reduce the number of furloughs, countless pilots pickup time while pilots were on furlough, LOA 25 paragraph 4..... The list goes on and on.
04-09-2014, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by El Gwopo
Now, what would the penalty be if they dared wear the ALPA pin? What does "called out" mean? Does it mean you guys give them a dirty look they won't soon forget?
Also, without a doubt, unity left the building a while ago. LCAL guys come on here, find out what you don't like, and do it. You think you are shaming or intimidating people but you are achieving the opposite effect. There is a HUGE unity problem here. Most guys who aren't wearing their pin are very young. I really don't see a solution. Do you?
Also, without a doubt, unity left the building a while ago. LCAL guys come on here, find out what you don't like, and do it. You think you are shaming or intimidating people but you are achieving the opposite effect. There is a HUGE unity problem here. Most guys who aren't wearing their pin are very young. I really don't see a solution. Do you?
It is not my intention to shame or intimidate anyone (other than line crossing scabs). The fact is, like it or not, we are on the same team. We are represented by ALPA, and we should all be unified. The road ahead demands it.
Sled
04-09-2014, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
In 17 years, I have seen one scab wearing the pin. He was on an American Airlines DC-10 jumpseat. He feared that the AA Captain would throw his arse off the jet without it. When we got to Chicago, he took it off before he was off the jetbridge. It goes well beyond dirty looks. Hard to explain. It goes back to how they were treated in the years after the strike, but trust me, they don't wear the pin.
It is not my intention to shame or intimidate anyone (other than line crossing scabs). The fact is, like it or not, we are on the same team. We are represented by ALPA, and we should all be unified. The road ahead demands it.
Sled
It is not my intention to shame or intimidate anyone (other than line crossing scabs). The fact is, like it or not, we are on the same team. We are represented by ALPA, and we should all be unified. The road ahead demands it.
Sled
04-09-2014, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by syd111
If you saw this guy with a pin on did you call him out on it? Did you let the aa pilot know?
04-09-2014, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by EWRflyr
The vacation bidding is the easiest to address:
If by "our normal bidding cycle" you mean the schedule that was in the previous L-CAL contract, than sorry it doesn't exist and isn't the "normal bidding cycle" now.
L-CAL pilots had the same opportunity to bid for their vacation as L-UAL pilots because we are all United pilots under one vacation bidding system. I was able to bid all my vacation under the current bidding cycle.
The vacation bidding process was a complete cluster and mess from the beginning. As a result it was rushed and "fixed" and reworked as the bidding process went along. That is ALL the company's fault and everyone was affected by it. I would agree that the rushed process caused bidding errors and a bit of confusion though.
Unity is what people make of it. I am looking forward. I have welcomed all pilots onto the flight. I have gone out of my way to help L-UAL pilots when they have asked me questions. I will not be part of pilots suing pilots either because an outcome wasn't something someone liked. I will not be a miserable person going forward and take it out on my fellow pilots. Unity takes work and effort. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we don't make the choice to move forward as one pilot group to make this airline succeed. Right now management is doing plenty on its own to mess things up; they certainly don't need our help in doing the same.
If by "our normal bidding cycle" you mean the schedule that was in the previous L-CAL contract, than sorry it doesn't exist and isn't the "normal bidding cycle" now.
L-CAL pilots had the same opportunity to bid for their vacation as L-UAL pilots because we are all United pilots under one vacation bidding system. I was able to bid all my vacation under the current bidding cycle.
The vacation bidding process was a complete cluster and mess from the beginning. As a result it was rushed and "fixed" and reworked as the bidding process went along. That is ALL the company's fault and everyone was affected by it. I would agree that the rushed process caused bidding errors and a bit of confusion though.
Unity is what people make of it. I am looking forward. I have welcomed all pilots onto the flight. I have gone out of my way to help L-UAL pilots when they have asked me questions. I will not be part of pilots suing pilots either because an outcome wasn't something someone liked. I will not be a miserable person going forward and take it out on my fellow pilots. Unity takes work and effort. We have no one to blame but ourselves if we don't make the choice to move forward as one pilot group to make this airline succeed. Right now management is doing plenty on its own to mess things up; they certainly don't need our help in doing the same.
Without a doubt - spot on.
04-09-2014, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jsled
No sir, but I should have. I was a half winger commuting to work to fly with said scab. He was an old broken down ex-Braniff weasel with less than a year to go. In hindsight, I should have exposed his sorry arse to the AA Captain, but I didn't.
