Ahhh but you guys are all forgetting something here. The company is wanting to shrink the A-320 fleet in DEN too. The top 60% of those F/O's and ALL of the captains are also healthy 737 Cap holders in Denver and of course everywhere else. This truly is a seniority tsunami in the making it will be interesting to see how this all turns out.

So we are talking a lot more than 225 positions in the end. Looks like we either need to start putting some airframes on the property AND the 737 training program needs a major overhaul/streamlining or things are going to back up in epic proportions. Does anybody here remember when the 727 fleet shut down? Some guys were sitting at home on full pay for like 18 months before they got retrained. Where is THAT briar patch, I'm ready to jump in!

 

Hellz yeah! I'm ready!!

 

No hate intended. Just simple math. At LUAL, we've been through this before.

Lots of LCAL guys got Captain out of seniority due to the fact that LUAL guys were not allow to bid for seats in our bases during the delayed SLI. Over time, this problem will correct itself.

I know several junior LCAL Captains. They are all really sharp guys who are a pleasure to be around. They never should have been awarded Captain seats in ORD, DEN, and LAX but I will admit that I would have done the same thing in their position!

But....they shouldn't get too ticked when LUAL guys come in and bump them backwards (or even off) the equipment.

As far as them being hired at a better place....that just makes me smile. I've been around way too long to accept that LCAL was ever a top tier airline. It was never even in the top 5. It was a nice little regional airline that would let you fly medium size jets if FedEx, UPS, UAL, DAL, AMR or SWA didn't want you. (Oh I'm just pushing some buttons in good fun. Only joking here...)

 

Agree. I keep hearing how the more senior pilots coming into bases somehow proves the SLI was imbalanced. This is just the natural result of pilots who were fenced out of those positions artificially now bidding in. Its no different than if the company said only pilots whose last name starts with A-J can bid for 3 years, and then after that removes that limitation.

Wherever someone sat in 2010 was more realistic of what they should hold today. If they are in a base that they couldn't hold in 2010, then they should count themselves lucky and stop complaining about guys moving in on top of them.

Displacements are going to potentially happen now that everyone can bid all the positions. Also, it was the "new" company management that decided to park the LUAL 757s and displace those pilots.

Its all our flying now. All our bases. All our equipment. At least completely all ours by Dec 2015.

 

What's really funny is to hear the guys preaching unity and brotherhood now who just a year ago were talking smack about crappy old UAL and encouraging a certain Jay in his attempt to bamboozle the ISL decision. YCMTSU.

The bottom line may end up that without a wholesale change in the WAY (not necessarily just nor limited to the GUY) this place is run the blood will flow and it may not be pretty. If you presuppose that they will use the same haphazard approach to "fixing" the problems that they took to merging the two airlines (and creating the problems) than we are in deep scheise. The Keystone Kops got us here.

Anyone junior in any seat is fair game for good case of Willis Tower sponsored ebola.

 

This thread is downright funny!! You guys have been talking about this bump for almost a yr. now!! Prior posts say "let the bumps begin", "watch out below" and stuff like that you don't think would be offensive? And then you have the audacity to get on here and say I didn't mean it like that? I think we may need to send you to a "new" sensitivity ground school!! I to believe that the positions held in 2010 should be starting point on ones expectation. I've said I understand why people like "Hoss" are ticked off!(I agree!) But, I don't understand why either group (excluding pilot64golfer) gets on here and say if I suffer you better suffer also!! I'm not totally against opening up the whole system to a system flush, it would give me a chance to get back to Denver as a Capt on 76! JK I would be a really junior Capt on that plane and have no interest going to training!! I'm just throwing stuff out there to show nobody knows how people are going to bid. i.e.-would a senior 76/75 FO want to go to the regional 73 and be mid/junior line holder? I could be wrong but, I don't think all those guys are willing to jump on the 73 just to be a Capt! Anyway, what day in October was the displacement Bid?

 

The only problem I have with your argument is that BOTH sides were calling each other names!! And, I know people will argue this but we were Negotiating the list, so there will be differences. The big difference now is that your point was PRE ISL, today it's POST ISL.

 

I hate to admit it, but I actually kinda agree. The company has already shown a willingness to keep more than half a base on reserve so I see a distinct possibility that they open a trickle of 737 bids in DEN and ORD and LAX bringing the 76T numbers down gradually over the next two years. Just because the 757s are going away doesn't mean the flying is going away. It's shifting fleets. So I'm not sure bumps are ever coming, at least not in the wholesale batch of which many on this thread are dreaming.

 

Agree.

The costs to the company would be astronomical.

They will do everything they can to prevent it.

It's far cheaper to keep issuing vacancies and let guys bid off, retire, or rot on reserve.

Except for Seattle and LAX 74, I don't see "huge" displacements happening any time soon.

With retiring 30+ Captains a month, guys will take the upgrade or BES seniority bump by bidding out of dieing bases and fleets.

IMHO

 

What do you think they have been doing for the past year? Thinning the heard with voluntary vacancies and retirements. Now it's time to get serious. With 34 757s leaving between now and January, you are going to see displacements. C33 LSC hinted at September in the last council meeting, and Howard Attarian said this in his last Letter.....

Displacements off the 757 are coming. I will be back here to tell you "I told you so" before you know it.

Sled