The title of the thread was SEA bump.

I was not implying that closing SEA was not an issue to the pilots based there. I was saying the 38 pilots displaced will easily be absorbed without secondary displacements.

The fact that CLE is on borrowed time is not lost on those based there. United closed CLE in 1988 and I am sure they will do it again.

With 200 pilots in CLE any bump or secondary displacements will again depend on the lead time of the announcement.

No one likes to see change, but the fact that you seem to revel in the joy that CLE will close speaks more to your character than any comment I made about SEA.

 

Exactly! Karma is a ***** when those people wish the worst on others. The company is looking at this economically and will do small displacements here and there, but to touch what was the Senior base and equipment at one time, namely the IAH 73, is financial and training capacity suicide. It would trigger an avalanche of displacements throughout the system as people would go to aircraft to remain in base and not the aircraft the company desires, namely the west coast 73. There exists end goal and excess charts with 100+ but that is an end goal. I find it amusing when guys like jsled come one here pining for bumps with "bumpity bump" chants and "look out below" immature rantings.

 

I'm also fully expecting the "Attrition is the Answer" meme's and all the, "just you wait the bumps are coming" whining...

Whatever...

Cal was understaffed, Ual was overstaffed...we are about 300 retirements and early outs sooner than expected compared to the July 2014 seniority list. That's 13 months...that's huge. Now we are understaffed once again.

They are hiring 1300 + pilots and the reserves are flying 70-90 hours a month all the while training is full. They are going to make small moves and shuffle when they can while allowing aircraft growth and attrition to solve displacement costs namely a company wide snowball that would trigger should the 100+ IAH be enacted expeditiously.

Those who would argue that I'm full of it and that the company will act fast to satisfy hurt ego's and satisfy the SLI, I now present exhibit A. The Ipad EFB - only 3 years and counting behind schedule.

 

I always ask those who preach to have had so much insight in the industry when L-Ual was playing peekaboo with Parker and others why they didn't just quit and come to Cal in 2007 (since the writing was on the wall according to them as far back as early Post 9/11) which would have put them well ahead of the curve money and seniority wise. They never have an answer. It's all rationalized BS.

This industry is a dice roll...L-Ual was doing great in the 90's making 300 across the pond. Their management and customer service model sucked though and Tilton scrapped the paychecks and scuttled the ship to save his own hide with his thumb on the side of the road waiting for a hitchhike. Now that there is a solid business foundation from Cal, the remaining L-Ual (not all but a very vocal %)want to act as if their mere surviving proves their financial plan was sound. Well, the arbit"traitor"s may have $$$ bought it, I mean rationalized it as an actual biz model... it was a bought and paid for Union deal to prevent decertification proceedings, nothing more. Now all the brother this and brother that and stick together Union speeches...Please... L-Ual sold out on PBS, Scope, and Retro.. but we'll get'em next time right????

 

foofighter

"Now that there is a solid business foundation from Cal, the remaining L-Ual (not all but a very vocal %)want to act as if their mere surviving proves their financial plan was sound."

Yep there's a real reason why there's "foo" at the beginning of your blog roll name.

Biggest crock of imagination I've read in a while.

 

Well, they have already gone after what was the senior base and equipment at UAL. DEN 767T, and A320, SEA 777, SEA 767T, LAX 400. So I'm not sure your theory of bumping from the senior base/equip being "financial and training suicide" is going to make a hoot of difference in their decisions. They may not end up bumping out of IAH, and I hope they don't. I don't want to see ANYBODY bumped.

I agree JSled's bumping chorus is in poor form. There is plenty of douchiness going around on both sides to sink this thread. You didn't need to add to it with you post after the one I quoted above

 

FOO;
Thee is no mainline growth, but shrinkage. One fleet (76T) is shrinking faster than the 73 fleet is growing, resulting in a net reduction in airframes in the near term.

Retirements? How are those going to reduce the surplus of guppy FO's in Houston? That would take YEARS.

I don't have UAL's long term plan in front of me, and it changes all the time. When you shut most of a fleet down, and shift other flying around (reduce DEN 320 and increase IAH 320), there will be displacements.

I don't wish being bumped on anyone, but it is going to happen. And yes it is painful, for both the company financially, and the affected pilots.

UCH management has made a couple of huge strategic blunders in the last couple of years. Putting both legacy carriers across each others' bases has been massively expensive, and still is. Until they get the mechanics and FA's on board, it will not be fixed and isn't even close. The other is they should have started bumping 76T pilots the day after the SLI.

 

Well excuse me. You weren't around for all the braggadocios posts from the Black team when 100s of '06-'07 hires were upgrading, many in DEN and ORD. Vspeed, Routemap, MitchRap, SLeeves, CALFO, to name a few. Karma is indeed a *****. I told them that me and my '97 hired perma FOs would leapfrog their arse on the SLI...and we did. Just like I said. I told them there would be bumps....and there are. Just like I said. I'm batting 1000.

I'll just keep watching the seniority so I can SLIDE in where it's best when my Bumptity Bump comes down the way.

 

As a L-CAL pilot told me during L-UALs darkest days under Chapter 11, there was nothing special about what CAL was doing in the post 9/11 world. It was a slimmed down cost structure that was the product of two previous CH11 filings and desperate measures taken even after that to ensure there wasn't a game over third filing. This is the brilliant business model you speak of? Sounds like the result of every company that files for CH11 and continues as an ongoing concern.

But if talking about paid off arbitrators or other grand conspiracies makes you feel better, have at it. Better yet, prove it in court.

 

Revisionist history is cool. Huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh-huh........