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Old 06-04-2015 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PA Slammer
Let me rephrase a bit... is there "time" to do anything during indoc. If the days are long and there is studying to do at night, then no real need for a vehicle. If there isn't any work to do outside of class and the days are 8 hrs, I'd consider having a vehicle.

Might do a little house hunting (or at least "area" hunting). Just trying to get a better feel for the place. Haven't lived in CO in over 25 years, and it wasn't for that long. A few things have changed.
I would devote absolutely zero time studying in Indoc. They tell you everything you need and the Indoc test is an exercise in using the search function of the iPad to ascertain obscure references in the manuals.

I would spend all your free time getting to know Meghan down in the bar.
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Old 06-04-2015 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Tank21
I heard UAL is moving the 737's out of IAH and building up 320's and 756's.

True?

Even if I don't get IAH right away, I'm just looking for the best chance to eventually get there.

Tank-

Not true. (or maybe not any more, as the movement has already happened)

However, they have enough 737 FOs in IAH to staff a much larger 737 presence than IAH has these days (it is even worse in the 737 Captain seat) Currently the company is "forcing" flying into the IAH 737 domicile by making longer and, for the company, less productive trips. by staffing that flying in IAH it costs the company money, so they don't like it. So, there will almost certainly be a displacement of many IAH 737 Captains and maybe some FOs (though I doubt that part)coming at the end of July.

That will mean a number of Captains need to find a new seat, most of whom will likely choose the 787 or 777 FO seat in IAH. There may be another round of displacements, but hopefully the planned delivery of 787s and 777-300s will allow most of the excess in the 737 fleet to be absorbed in the widebody fleets at IAH with out too many additional casualties. I would strongly doubt that it would get all the way down to the A320 FO seat.

Unfortunately for the IAH 737 fleet in IAH, I don't think it will stay at the level they bump down to. I think that it is likely that they will continue to let IAH 737 shrink down to around 350-375 pilots in each seat through the natural process of pilots bidding to other airplanes. So, that would mean it will be quite some time before there would be any need for new 737 FOs in IAH. (currently there are about 550 Captains and 420 FOs)

While some of that drawdown in need for 737 pilots in IAH is due to actual reduction of demand and thus flying, the other (an larger) reason they are so out of balance is the moving of airplanes around the operation. The movement of the 737 flying out of IAH has been ugly for those based there on the 73, but there has also been the benefit of A320 flying moving in.

The movement of A320 flying into the IAH base has happened and that base is, if anything, a little understaffed to where the company would like it to be. Once the IAH displacements (and likely displacements in DEN on the 757/767 and potentially A320 fleet, both of whom have the same "forced flying" issue as above)) happen you will then see bids to fill in the gaps that remain in staffing. Barring something really strange in the displacement process, that will mean there are opportunities for movement into IAH as an A320 FO.

So, the opportunity for movement into IAH is much higher on the A320 than it is on the 737 in the near term.

The final caveat is - the long range planning committee meets twice a day, so be sure to check back tomorrow!!

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Old 06-04-2015 | 10:17 AM
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27 bids no bases yet.
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Old 06-04-2015 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
Tank-

Not true. (or maybe not any more, as the movement has already happened)

However, they have enough 737 FOs in IAH to staff a much larger 737 presence than IAH has these days (it is even worse in the 737 Captain seat) Currently the company is "forcing" flying into the IAH 737 domicile by making longer and, for the company, less productive trips. by staffing that flying in IAH it costs the company money, so they don't like it. So, there will almost certainly be a displacement of many IAH 737 Captains and maybe some FOs (though I doubt that part)coming at the end of July.

That will mean a number of Captains need to find a new seat, most of whom will likely choose the 787 or 777 FO seat in IAH. There may be another round of displacements, but hopefully the planned delivery of 787s and 777-300s will allow most of the excess in the 737 fleet to be absorbed in the widebody fleets at IAH with out too many additional casualties. I would strongly doubt that it would get all the way down to the A320 FO seat.

Unfortunately for the IAH 737 fleet in IAH, I don't think it will stay at the level they bump down to. I think that it is likely that they will continue to let IAH 737 shrink down to around 350-375 pilots in each seat through the natural process of pilots bidding to other airplanes. So, that would mean it will be quite some time before there would be any need for new 737 FOs in IAH. (currently there are about 550 Captains and 420 FOs)

While some of that drawdown in need for 737 pilots in IAH is due to actual reduction of demand and thus flying, the other (an larger) reason they are so out of balance is the moving of airplanes around the operation. The movement of the 737 flying out of IAH has been ugly for those based there on the 73, but there has also been the benefit of A320 flying moving in.

The movement of A320 flying into the IAH base has happened and that base is, if anything, a little understaffed to where the company would like it to be. Once the IAH displacements (and likely displacements in DEN on the 757/767 and potentially A320 fleet, both of whom have the same "forced flying" issue as above)) happen you will then see bids to fill in the gaps that remain in staffing. Barring something really strange in the displacement process, that will mean there are opportunities for movement into IAH as an A320 FO.

So, the opportunity for movement into IAH is much higher on the A320 than it is on the 737 in the near term.

The final caveat is - the long range planning committee meets twice a day, so be sure to check back tomorrow!!
Thank you, this really explained a lot for me. Much appreciated!
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Old 06-04-2015 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PA Slammer
27 bids no bases yet.
Or actual number of each aircraft...
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Old 06-04-2015 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PA Slammer
27 bids no bases yet.
Any idea of aircraft breakdown?
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Old 06-04-2015 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tank21
Or actual number of each aircraft...
See above...
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Old 06-04-2015 | 04:15 PM
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When did you guys/gals in the 07 Jul class interview and get the CJO call?
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Old 06-04-2015 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dada9898
When did you guys/gals in the 07 Jul class interview and get the CJO call?
I interviewed Apr 30th and got the call May 7th.

I was invited to the Jun 16th class but had to slip it to Jul 7th.
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Old 06-04-2015 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
Tank-

Not true. (or maybe not any more, as the movement has already happened)

However, they have enough 737 FOs in IAH to staff a much larger 737 presence than IAH has these days (it is even worse in the 737 Captain seat) Currently the company is "forcing" flying into the IAH 737 domicile by making longer and, for the company, less productive trips. by staffing that flying in IAH it costs the company money, so they don't like it. So, there will almost certainly be a displacement of many IAH 737 Captains and maybe some FOs (though I doubt that part)coming at the end of July.

That will mean a number of Captains need to find a new seat, most of whom will likely choose the 787 or 777 FO seat in IAH. There may be another round of displacements, but hopefully the planned delivery of 787s and 777-300s will allow most of the excess in the 737 fleet to be absorbed in the widebody fleets at IAH with out too many additional casualties. I would strongly doubt that it would get all the way down to the A320 FO seat.

Unfortunately for the IAH 737 fleet in IAH, I don't think it will stay at the level they bump down to. I think that it is likely that they will continue to let IAH 737 shrink down to around 350-375 pilots in each seat through the natural process of pilots bidding to other airplanes. So, that would mean it will be quite some time before there would be any need for new 737 FOs in IAH. (currently there are about 550 Captains and 420 FOs)

While some of that drawdown in need for 737 pilots in IAH is due to actual reduction of demand and thus flying, the other (an larger) reason they are so out of balance is the moving of airplanes around the operation. The movement of the 737 flying out of IAH has been ugly for those based there on the 73, but there has also been the benefit of A320 flying moving in.

The movement of A320 flying into the IAH base has happened and that base is, if anything, a little understaffed to where the company would like it to be. Once the IAH displacements (and likely displacements in DEN on the 757/767 and potentially A320 fleet, both of whom have the same "forced flying" issue as above)) happen you will then see bids to fill in the gaps that remain in staffing. Barring something really strange in the displacement process, that will mean there are opportunities for movement into IAH as an A320 FO.

So, the opportunity for movement into IAH is much higher on the A320 than it is on the 737 in the near term.

The final caveat is - the long range planning committee meets twice a day, so be sure to check back tomorrow!!
Very good rundown. I'll tell you as a new hire on property who just started my 3rd year that 90% of the IAH 73 FOs who are displaced will bump to the Airbus. Maybe more. Every one I've talked to wants to stay in IAH. The bottom 50 73 FOs have been there 2 years. Do the math. With this coming displacement I don't think IAH is a reasonable expectation for a new hire. It's not DEN but it's gonna get worse really soon. There will be Bus FOs who get bumped out by more senior 73 FOs.
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