Must've missed this...guy I flew with today told me that CCO extension add pay, previously negotiated, is now gone. Can't believe I missed this update. If so, I hope we all stand united and nobody extends for any reason ever. Make them feel the pain.

 

Been that way for some time. Get your fatigue FSAP ready

 

I was on a bunch of time off. When did it happen? Dang, that didn't last long. When was this MOU official approving the add pay? Max 6 months ago. Yeah...not extending. Tell a few hundred people they can't get there because we don't want to pay the pilots a few hundred dollars.

 

Guess they're counting on the "sense of duty/get-home-itis" motivation to complete the schedule. Hasn't worked for me, but as I said, get your FSAPs ready

 

It is not gone, the company is just not willing to offer it. They would rather CNX a Sidney flight and eat the cost than use a contractual benefit to save the operation.

 

No add pay, no extension. Wasn't that easy?

 

Yep. Easy as pie.

 

I think we can all safely say that safety is not for sale. Getting add pay is not a bribe for extending the duty day, well, maybe some see it that way.

I look at it like this, add pay for extending the duty day is for feeling crappy the next layover. I've got a pretty good idea based on my experience when I'll be safe and not for extending. The few times I've extended, I feel much worse on the layover or at home than I would have normally. That has value. Do I want to feel horrible and fatigued and greatly extend my recovery time? NO, do it for some extra remuneration? Maybe.

Feeling crappy for no extra pay, Just say no!

 

I faced this issue about two months ago.



LOA30 5-F-1-h (which to my knowledge is still in effect as it was two months ago): “…For unaugmented duty periods, the Company may make this offer only if there is a single flight in the Duty Period and the offer is made and accepted before the takeoff of that flight.”


I was sitting waiting to start leg two, so no add-pay authorized in my situation.


Our aircraft came in with a bad FADEC so it was broke for several hours. I had been sitting in the CPO for approx. 5 hours at the point the Crew Desk called and asked me to extend my full two hours (I was limiting, CA was not). I felt I would be too fatigued to continue to the max extended FDP and declared I would not extend.


A FSAP was required for me to ensure pay protection in my situation. I’ll summarize the ALPA response I received via PDR: You are essentially expected to extend 30 min past your original CCO (FAA interpretation of 117), and if you won’t do the 30 minutes, you have to do a FSAP (but you don’t have to extend, you just have to do a FSAP saying you’re too fatigued). If you tell the desk, I will extend 30 min extra and no more and you still can’t set takeoff power by then, then you can decline extending further and a FSAP is not required.

 

I look at it like this, if they want me to fly overtime, they can pay me for overtime. If they don't want to pay me at the time, I'll go to the hotel and get my add pay the next day when I'm getting 150% for flying on a day off. I don't look at it as go/no go based on fatigue. To me it's much more basic. I'm an hourly employee. How many other unionized hourly employees work extra hours in a day for nothing? Your schedule has a set time it ends the moment it's in your line. Extra hours at work should pay extra.

Fatigue to me is it's own entity. If I'm fatigued I stop the train. Hell if I have a half winger who's fatigued and nervous about rocking the boat, it instantly fatigues me.