Company asked for 2 year extension
09-24-2015 | 11:28 AM
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the company wants to reset the clock and the calendar, that's why they want an extension. company wants to put us in a cycle whereby they control the tempo and not pilots. they feel that giving us a 2 year extension doesn't cost them anything, and if things are more favorable to company in 2 years they will then be eager to negotiate.
So, listening to them does have a cost. it costs us time, energy, inertia, and momentum and it has a potential in negatively impacting the contractual cycle and world wide/domestic economics. I think allot of folks see a few more economic resets both globally and domestically. Me thinks management wants to get in on that and use it to their advantage.
It's not the pilots fault that FA's and MX don't have contracts. That's management's fault.
So, listening to them does have a cost. it costs us time, energy, inertia, and momentum and it has a potential in negatively impacting the contractual cycle and world wide/domestic economics. I think allot of folks see a few more economic resets both globally and domestically. Me thinks management wants to get in on that and use it to their advantage.
It's not the pilots fault that FA's and MX don't have contracts. That's management's fault.
09-24-2015 | 01:31 PM
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They just said no to discussing it at this week's meeting. I believe they will discuss it among themselves at the next meeting and may decide then to hear the company out.
09-24-2015 | 01:34 PM
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Yup. I think it can cost us. Pilots are highly susceptible to the siren song of pay rates alone. MEC agrees to listen, company leaks the new pay rates, next thing you know line pilots are knocking down the door to get the money or get rid of union officers who stand in the way. Or, we listen, say no thank you, then they spread the usual ill will among other employee groups and the public that we're just your typical greedy pilots wanting to bring down the company. I say no talk except to say it's in everyone's best interest to simply negotiate a new contract in good faith by next spring. We're willing. Are they.
09-24-2015 | 02:11 PM
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Yup. I think it can cost us. Pilots are highly susceptible to the siren song of pay rates alone. MEC agrees to listen, company leaks the new pay rates, next thing you know line pilots are knocking down the door to get the money or get rid of union officers who stand in the way. Or, we listen, say no thank you, then they spread the usual ill will among other employee groups and the public that we're just your typical greedy pilots wanting to bring down the company. I say no talk except to say it's in everyone's best interest to simply negotiate a new contract in good faith by next spring. We're willing. Are they.
09-24-2015 | 02:19 PM
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Well technically speaking the next TA will be an extension of the current contact no matter if it is early, or years past the amendable date. What will vary is how much it changes.
It would be very interesting to know how the survey results reflected how much change pilots wanted based on how poor IT has implemented the changes neeed for our current contract.
It would be very interesting to know how the survey results reflected how much change pilots wanted based on how poor IT has implemented the changes neeed for our current contract.
09-24-2015 | 02:24 PM
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Yup. I think it can cost us. Pilots are highly susceptible to the siren song of pay rates alone. MEC agrees to listen, company leaks the new pay rates, next thing you know line pilots are knocking down the door to get the money or get rid of union officers who stand in the way. Or, we listen, say no thank you, then they spread the usual ill will among other employee groups and the public that we're just your typical greedy pilots wanting to bring down the company. I say no talk except to say it's in everyone's best interest to simply negotiate a new contract in good faith by next spring. We're willing. Are they.
^^^^^^^I was just going to post all of this exactly, so I'll just re-post it for effect. Nicely said and true.
09-24-2015 | 02:25 PM
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I see it a bit differently.
The big picture I am viewing shows me that the company has been stalling with malace and forethought our "co-workers" over in in-flight and in maintenance. our union can't negotiate on their behalf. We pay dues for our union to negotiate for the pilots.
Now, regarding the "me me me" attitude. Well, I also see this differently. Management has had their way with all of the pilots industry wide for the last 25 years. The way I figure it, my house should have been paid off 14 years ago had management NOT been screwing us. So, it's time to take care of me, and if my union takes care of me, I think that all of the pilots will be taken care of. So, me-me-me is a good thing. greed is a good thing. You only negotiate what you can negotiate, but the market sets the value for what my and your skills and experience is worth, it's the union's job to capture that value and insure we get our fair share of the pie.
The big picture I am viewing shows me that the company has been stalling with malace and forethought our "co-workers" over in in-flight and in maintenance. our union can't negotiate on their behalf. We pay dues for our union to negotiate for the pilots.
Now, regarding the "me me me" attitude. Well, I also see this differently. Management has had their way with all of the pilots industry wide for the last 25 years. The way I figure it, my house should have been paid off 14 years ago had management NOT been screwing us. So, it's time to take care of me, and if my union takes care of me, I think that all of the pilots will be taken care of. So, me-me-me is a good thing. greed is a good thing. You only negotiate what you can negotiate, but the market sets the value for what my and your skills and experience is worth, it's the union's job to capture that value and insure we get our fair share of the pie.
09-24-2015 | 03:54 PM
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I'm a cynic, no doubt, but pilots rarely change. Sometimes they are led by courageous unionists to vary the pattern, but they rarely change:
09-24-2015 | 05:17 PM
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Yes we have a new CEO, but we till have the same upper and middle management that have repeatedly and very graphically demonstrated monumental incompetence. They can't even comply with, let alone implement all the provisions in our current contract.
Once they have demonstrated some kind of compliance, then maybe listen, and listen only. Until that happens, heck no!
I can't believe anyone would even listen to this tripe and talk about no harm in listening when our last contract hasn't been fully implemented. Yes there is harm in listening.
The ball is in Mr. Munoz court.
Once they have demonstrated some kind of compliance, then maybe listen, and listen only. Until that happens, heck no!
I can't believe anyone would even listen to this tripe and talk about no harm in listening when our last contract hasn't been fully implemented. Yes there is harm in listening.
The ball is in Mr. Munoz court.
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