Expressing our opinions on various contract areas is a lot different than the idiots who attempted to organize a sick out on united pilots forum... I think we all understand this board is public... At least the smart ones.

You're right, one cost us all money and jobs while the other a select few for a period of time. Public or private/public, the company still gets a sentiment making that 50+1 all the easier.

Good, then fix all the **** that they agreed to in 2012 that still has not been implememnted completely and all of the other irritants first, then we'll listen. Otherwise see you @ sec 6 openers. :mad:

Sorry man, I just don't get it. They haven't complied with the last contract, so we are going to show them, by negotiating harder? And, gosh darnit, we aren't going to accept pay raises to extend the contract for 2 years.

That'll show 'em.

Just to show them, I am going all out, and am going to hold my breath until I turn purple. They won't have any option other than caving in to full contract negotiations.

I really, really don't understand the logic here. Sorry for the sarcasm.

Here are some salient points to consider:

1. We fought for and paid for our last contract to be negotiated

2. We continue to fight for current enforcement of the contract. While this is normal and standard practice for labor unions, it does seem rather odd at the both the volume of grievances and their expense.

3. The sections of the current contract that require constant surveillance and vigilance in enforcement are not cheap. However, the awards to the pilot are pennies on the dollar. This amount of enforcement activity has not served as a deterrent to the company for violating the contract.

Some questions to consider:

1. If the Europeans succeed in essentially abrogating all US Airline Contracts by shoving their interpretation of "open skies" down our throats and both the US Government and ALPA fail to protect our careers what is the current contract worth? What is an extension worth? What is a new contract worth? How much time does it buy us before the entire bottom falls out of the US airline industry and everyone from SWA to DAl to UAL nullifies our agreements.

2. What aproach gives us the most bang for the buck, extension or new contract?

3. Is ALPA considering drastic changes in the entire document, or just looking to solidify current book and incorporate grievance awards and other subsequent LOA's into the agreement?

4. What are the companies goals and motivations behind an extension?

Has contract compliance and enforcement been better/worse with Jackson Martin and Tom Stivala out of the picture?

Out of curiosity what parts of the contract are not being complied with currently?

There were 'only' 36 grievances filed in the 3rd qtr. So yes, we have a compliance problem. We also have leverage to extract some coin and make the furlough longevity issue right. Show me the money.

Aren't grievances often not won? It's not like we are provided a run down by ALPA of each grievance that is filed and the outcome. Those could be for anything from an unapproved expense report to a pickup time dispute. Hardly mass non compliance.

The inference is large sections of the agreement aren't being complied with. Wouldn't those create group grievances? I'm curious as to what sections are not in compliance. Wouldn't the MEC and LEC be alerting the rank and file to these non compliant sections?

Quite a few. You must not be on reserve :o