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El10 11-04-2015 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by FlyHIGHgoFAST (Post 2005344)
Quite a few. You must not be on reserve :o

Which specific provisions? Not much left in red of the color coded contract.

Then agian I do not think we should be in a rush to add stuff like a day starting at 0100 and involuntary junior manning, but thats just my two cents.

Lambourne 11-04-2015 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Thor (Post 2005373)
I don't consider myself terribly plugged-in with ALPA but even I know the MEC Grievance committee is crushing it in terms of awards. If you don't read the updates (or if you don't get them) what does that say about you?

I do read the updates. Someone mentioned 36 grievances filed. In the updates we may hear of one or two wins in the grievance process. It would be nice to see a score card of the grievances filed and the reason along with the decisions and awards. As far as I have been able to find over the years I have not seen such a document. If it is out there then please point me in the right direction.

Where are the wholesale non-compliance issues? I am really interested in what sections of the contract, as has been stated in this thread, are outstanding and non-compliant. If it is reserve issues I would like to know those also. Fortunately I am not on reserve but we are all most likely all a bid or downturn away from reserve.

APC225 11-04-2015 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 2005438)
I do read the updates. Someone mentioned 36 grievances filed. In the updates we may hear of one or two wins in the grievance process. It would be nice to see a score card of the grievances filed and the reason along with the decisions and awards. As far as I have been able to find over the years I have not seen such a document. If it is out there then please point me in the right direction.

System Board Awards are here. That's a start.

http://ual.alpa.org/Committees/Griev...6/Default.aspx

oldmako 11-04-2015 12:33 PM

How about a zillion pay roll issues??
Asst CP in DC told me that he spends two-thirds of his time fixing payroll shorts.

Contrail06 11-04-2015 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by oldmako (Post 2005474)
How about a zillion pay roll issues??
Asst CP in DC told me that he spends two-thirds of his time fixing payroll shorts.

I don't see how this is a problem with contract LANGUAGE.

SpecialTracking 11-04-2015 01:04 PM

We have some leverage at this moment. Use it for a couple shillings and the myriad of other contract issues will never be resolved in a timely fashion during section 6.

guppyflyer 11-04-2015 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Contrail06 (Post 2005488)
I don't see how this is a problem with contract LANGUAGE.

Not a language problem, it's a compliance problem. When they don't pay you according to the contract and you have to file a pay claim, I know you'll agree that's an issue.

Sniper66 11-04-2015 02:22 PM

SWA pilots turned down their TA!

It's our turn let's not sell ourselves short this time around

Contract 2000 plus is must along with retirement, vacation and sick time improvements !

MasterOfPuppets 11-04-2015 03:04 PM

There is also a serious issue with Reserve abuse. Although everything is legal the intent is being violated big time. I don't think it's a coincidence that this abuse has popped up only within the last 6 months and now it's one of the 5 items being discussed in the extension. They are trying to beat 1/3 of the group into a yes vote.

jsled 11-04-2015 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by Sniper66 (Post 2005542)
SWA pilots turned down their TA!

It's our turn let's not sell ourselves short this time around

Contract 2000 plus is must along with retirement, vacation and sick time improvements !

How awesome! No raise since 2012 and now.....

"Southwest expects discussions under the National Mediation Board to resume in spring 2016. Its pilots will continue working under their current agreement until a new deal is reached."

I do agree with the SWA pilot's decision. Code share language was scary. However, I will judge any deal our NC might reach on it's own merits. I don't care if DAL and SWA voted no.


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