Use whatever term makes you feel better but when we were all supposedly one company yet only one subset was allowed to bid on the equipment costing many sUAL pilots 10's of thousands of dollars annually, it made many people vote in the affirmative to get the ISL in place.

I'm over it, I'm over the ISL. I have a few years left to make up the lost wages. Most of my flights now there isn't even a mention of "who came from where". From where I sit this group is MUCH more unified than we were back then.

 

Maybe instead of a loaded phrase like "the seat grab" you could insert "our weak scope." It's more technically accurate.

Since most of us feel we got screwed on the ISL, I doubt many of us will ever be truly "over" it. However, I think most of us realize our fellow pilots didn't have anything to do with our plight and really don't care who came from where, so I agree with the gist of your second paragraph.

 

There is no such thing as "unity" in any pilot group. There are only shared interests. When the shared interests are sufficiently spread across the demographics of a disparate seniority list, there's a sense of unity. On some things, all can agree. On many things agreement depends on where you sit (or where you came from) and is often ultimately impossible.

The seniority system creates have's and have not's. That's just the way it is. I share very few interests with the 64 yr old sitting to my left. I'm unwilling to personally finance any of his wants. Do you really think he cares about scope at this point? He'd sell me right out of a job in .5 seconds to get his A-fund back. I'd expect no less of him and I don't blame him at all. He and I have no unity just because we drink beer on layovers together. Respect sure, unity is a fantasy.

I don't feel any unity nor is it important to me, but I can agree on a number of things with my peers. On points of agreement, we can attempt to leverage our numbers. The company knows us better than we know ourselves. We fantasise about unity while the company plans accordingly.

Did unity lead to the signing of our current contract? Of course not, tribalism did. Now the yes voters would like a pass on that claiming their desire for unity to undue the damage. I suspect it's far too late for that. If you voted yes on the UPA, you'd better read it carefully, it's going to be here for a while. The only thing that can prevent this extension from passing is the MEC. Do you suppose they're unified? That would clearly depend on their individual constituencies. We'll know soon enough.

 

I guess you are a UAL furloughee. That's who got screwed. Hopefully you'll be made whole soon.

 

UAL and CAL furloughed pilots both one time and two times furloughed got hosed and they need to get back what they deserve

Full pay full vacation full sick time!!!

 

And free beer at layover hotels!!!

 

Never furloughed and I recognize there are different degrees of believing we got screwed. When I said "we" I meant all UAL pilots, no matter which legacy we came from. It's obvious you've got an axe to grind despite your protestations otherwise.

 

A very large percentage of us have lost something " A fund for me",
However dwelling on what you don't have is a very negative and unproductive attitude. It will also make you ill and worse yet- the poor sole who has to occupy a cockpit with you.

Move on- move up.