Sick policy
01-12-2016 | 05:19 PM
#21
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I completely disagree.
AMS was brought about because a very few guys felt like they should have nearly every holiday off in addition to calling in sick several other times times per year. The chronic offenders.
I'm talking about a handful of guys who should have been dealt with as individuals. Instead, we get the knee jerk broad brush so prevalent at every airline that I've ever been associated with. Most of the retirees I speak with are leaving with idiotic amounts of sick leave.
99 percent of the guys are not the problem. If a guy calls in sick ONCE a year because he has to make a family event, is he the reason we have AMS? I think not.
AMS was brought about because a very few guys felt like they should have nearly every holiday off in addition to calling in sick several other times times per year. The chronic offenders.
I'm talking about a handful of guys who should have been dealt with as individuals. Instead, we get the knee jerk broad brush so prevalent at every airline that I've ever been associated with. Most of the retirees I speak with are leaving with idiotic amounts of sick leave.
99 percent of the guys are not the problem. If a guy calls in sick ONCE a year because he has to make a family event, is he the reason we have AMS? I think not.
01-12-2016 | 06:13 PM
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01-13-2016 | 06:16 AM
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Unless one is exceedingly unhealthy, there's no practical way of recovering the allocated time without risking a policy violation and possible termination.
If it is a big issue to enough pilots, you guys need to trade the allocation for dollars, or extra time off as an optional contractual issue.
01-13-2016 | 06:30 AM
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From: The GF of FUPM
Ahem...lived a pretty healthy lifestyle with a lot of nutritional and workout maintenance. Still do. Worked when healthy, called in sick when sick. Left with 1200+ hours.
Unless one is exceedingly unhealthy, there's no practical way of recovering the allocated time without risking a policy violation and possible termination.
If it is a big issue to enough pilots, you guys need to trade the allocation for dollars, or extra time off as an optional contractual issue.
Unless one is exceedingly unhealthy, there's no practical way of recovering the allocated time without risking a policy violation and possible termination.
If it is a big issue to enough pilots, you guys need to trade the allocation for dollars, or extra time off as an optional contractual issue.
I was involved in a hit and run a few years ago. 7 weeks of SL, gone. Another two years of accrual.
A friend tore his knee up at the gym. He's now on LTD.
Another has serious back issues. He's also on LTD. And of course, you burn ALL your sick time before you go on LTD. A quick look at the current Seniority is a real eye opener. There are hundreds of guys out on LTD.
If I never call in sick again, I won't have 600 hours at retirement. And I have optical issues which prevent me from seeing that ever occurring.
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01-13-2016 | 06:41 AM
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Ahem...lived a pretty healthy lifestyle with a lot of nutritional and workout maintenance. Still do. Worked when healthy, called in sick when sick. Left with 1200+ hours.
Unless one is exceedingly unhealthy, there's no practical way of recovering the allocated time without risking a policy violation and possible termination.
If it is a big issue to enough pilots, you guys need to trade the allocation for dollars, or extra time off as an optional contractual issue.
Unless one is exceedingly unhealthy, there's no practical way of recovering the allocated time without risking a policy violation and possible termination.
If it is a big issue to enough pilots, you guys need to trade the allocation for dollars, or extra time off as an optional contractual issue.
One surgery or major health issue and you blow almost 5 years of accumulation. You were fortunate and the exception to the norm. Consider yourself lucky. Not all of us are that lucky.
01-13-2016 | 07:10 AM
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Ahem...lived a pretty healthy lifestyle with a lot of nutritional and workout maintenance. Still do. Worked when healthy, called in sick when sick. Left with 1200+ hours.
Unless one is exceedingly unhealthy, there's no practical way of recovering the allocated time without risking a policy violation and possible termination.
If it is a big issue to enough pilots, you guys need to trade the allocation for dollars, or extra time off as an optional contractual issue.
Unless one is exceedingly unhealthy, there's no practical way of recovering the allocated time without risking a policy violation and possible termination.
If it is a big issue to enough pilots, you guys need to trade the allocation for dollars, or extra time off as an optional contractual issue.
01-13-2016 | 07:19 AM
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I guess a lot depends on what the definition of sick is. FAA prohibits? Of course. Unsafe? Of course. A minor condition that could get worse or is just now getting better? A pain, minor injury, sniffles. From those I see flying, opinions vary, and that's where the choices are made on sick calls.
01-13-2016 | 08:58 AM
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Ahem...lived a pretty healthy lifestyle with a lot of nutritional and workout maintenance. Still do. Worked when healthy, called in sick when sick. Left with 1200+ hours.
Unless one is exceedingly unhealthy, there's no practical way of recovering the allocated time without risking a policy violation and possible termination.
If it is a big issue to enough pilots, you guys need to trade the allocation for dollars, or extra time off as an optional contractual issue.
Unless one is exceedingly unhealthy, there's no practical way of recovering the allocated time without risking a policy violation and possible termination.
If it is a big issue to enough pilots, you guys need to trade the allocation for dollars, or extra time off as an optional contractual issue.
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