I flew most of my first 10 years sitting next to a scab or 570. Probably 70 to 80% of the time. The other 20 to 30 percent were always badmouthing both groups.

Too a man, the 570 are the most toxic group of pilots at United. Looking at my past, the pilots that caused the most problems, and spent the most time standing in front of the chief pilots desk, were 570.

I had a new dispatcher on my jumpseat a year or so ago. He told us about a couple of ORD 400 Captains who kept having to land short of ORD, usually SFO, coming back across the Pacific. Or, simply canceling the flight back. He didn't understand why someone would do that.

I told him about the 570, and that I would bet a paycheck that they were 570. He emailed me a few days later, and confirmed it.

United will be a better place when all of them are gone. Unfortunately, a reasonable number of them were hired very young, with minimal qualifications. Some of them will be here for another 8 or 10 years. The customers on our wide body aircraft get to suffer for a long time.

Sad then that they got battle stars. Unearned valor in my opinion. Maybe it evens out.....thinking about this....ALPA forgave CAL scabs and ALPA gave out 570 unearned battle stars. Two different legacies, but now one united group of "black sheep."

That's correct. No strings, no obligations and free to seek employment elsewhere. I wish I had saved that letter but somehow I decided it was not important and did not.

So did you ever take the time to ask yourself...why would they be doing this?

actually, i do

more than you can know

You really need to do your research better as to what the 570 did, and what followed early in their career.

Wrong again - it was CAL ALPA (read you) that allowed CAL SCABS in CAL ALPA.

And the UAL pilots rightfully honored the 570 post strike.
Reference Flying The Line II


"Every professional airline pilot still covered by an ALPA contract owes the 570 a debt of gratitude. By courageously acting in concert with United’s striking pilots, the 570 allowed the pilots to settle the issue directly, without fear of their flank crumbling."

You original post is way off so go ahead and fill us in on how much you know and where you received your information.

Probe - tell us another story. You know, like flying with a pilot from the "Tracy Aces" group when the last of that group retired in late 70's or early 80's.

Maybe if you embellish more it would make them more entertaining.

Are you one of those guys that lost 570 senority numbers after the strike was settled?