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#11
Don't say Guppy
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Again, there's only about 15,000 regional pilots who'd all love the chance to fly for United...
Divide that by three, you still have 5000 applicants, and it'd take UAL close to a decade to retire that many people. This doesn't even consider up-and-coming students/CFI's or the many guys at LCC's/majors.
Point being, a program like this doesn't seem close to necessary yet. I hope it just means they're worried about their own pilot supply down the line and hire accordingly, but if and when CFI's start getting hired before guys with thousands of hours in a jet that says United Express on the side, well, that wouldn't be cool.
Divide that by three, you still have 5000 applicants, and it'd take UAL close to a decade to retire that many people. This doesn't even consider up-and-coming students/CFI's or the many guys at LCC's/majors.
Point being, a program like this doesn't seem close to necessary yet. I hope it just means they're worried about their own pilot supply down the line and hire accordingly, but if and when CFI's start getting hired before guys with thousands of hours in a jet that says United Express on the side, well, that wouldn't be cool.
#12
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Again, there's only about 15,000 regional pilots who'd all love the chance to fly for United...
Divide that by three, you still have 5000 applicants, and it'd take UAL close to a decade to retire that many people. This doesn't even consider up-and-coming students/CFI's or the many guys at LCC's/majors.
Point being, a program like this doesn't seem close to necessary yet. I hope it just means they're worried about their own pilot supply down the line and hire accordingly, but if and when CFI's start getting hired before guys with thousands of hours in a jet that says United Express on the side, well, that wouldn't be cool.
Divide that by three, you still have 5000 applicants, and it'd take UAL close to a decade to retire that many people. This doesn't even consider up-and-coming students/CFI's or the many guys at LCC's/majors.
Point being, a program like this doesn't seem close to necessary yet. I hope it just means they're worried about their own pilot supply down the line and hire accordingly, but if and when CFI's start getting hired before guys with thousands of hours in a jet that says United Express on the side, well, that wouldn't be cool.
Put yourself in the airline's position - first, of the 15,000 regional pilots you mention and considering, let's say, a 10 year window, some pilots from that group are going to be hired elsewhere, some will be too near retirement, others won't want to make the transition and still others will be not particularly hirable for various reasons. Either way, any graph of required vs available pilots (worldwide) starts to look pretty alarming in the not too distant future. There are a lot of companies (and militaries) looking for pilots and they're all in competition to varying degrees.
As the airline, is it worth ramping up several potential sources of future pilots to continue to exact some control over quality and quantity needed, or is it better to just wing it and worry about it later, or take what's left of the remaining pilots applying? If I were making those decisions (and thank goodness I'm not lol) I'd want to start at least the framework for a few different means of obtaining pilots of the desired quality, and if more or fewer are needed over the long run, well, the rate can be adjusted through the size of the program.
From a line pilot perspective, my big hope and expectation is whatever the source, which will surely continue to include plenty of regional pilots, I just want quality pilots and quality people.
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From: 320 Captain
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Gets Weekends Off
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Where does Lufthansa place their new hires originating from the training academy? Do they place bidding restrictions on them until certain levels of experience have been attained?
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From: I pilot
I agree it was a lot of work and daunting at first. It was a completely different, yet trainable position from what we were used to.
Where does Lufthansa place their new hires originating from the training academy? Do they place bidding restrictions on them until certain levels of experience have been attained?
Where does Lufthansa place their new hires originating from the training academy? Do they place bidding restrictions on them until certain levels of experience have been attained?
#20
Perhaps they don't want to take more pilots away from their already severely understaffed regionals. Taking the pilots straight from this school prevents a further shortage at the regional partner and decreases overall training costs (replacement of selected regional captain to United and replacement of upgraded FO) vs creating another opening at the school.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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