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Old 10-18-2016 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
Obviously you don't get it. You trust that this will really be her position when push comes to shove? Our foreign competition will get what they want from her with their national treasuries or money from other sources. Pay to play, the Clinton way. Your PAC money won't stand a chance.

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That you cite "Faux News" as a source of anything credible is also telling on what you "get"...or in this instance, lack thereof.
Old 10-18-2016 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Sriusly? I can post a list but I'll just post this one excerpt from a Goldman Sachs transcript:

"But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position."


That's politicalspeak for 'I'll say whatever it takes to get elected. I'll do whatever I want once elected.'
Are you naive? No that's reality. All politicians have been doing this since political choice started. This isn't news at all. As humans we all do this very same thing in our daily lives as well and if you say you don't you are a liar. As a pilot you play this game with customers, dispatch, scheduling, FA's, etc. I'm sure all your buddies tell you the same story about their layover they tell their family. Do you think Trump doesn't do this? Did he come out with his full intentions with his golf course in Scotland while he was planning it? Does he publically not say climate change is a chinese hoax while simultaneously privately petitioning for walls at his seashore resorts because he fears climate change and rising sea levels?

Neither one of these clowns will make daily decisions that benifit me but at the end of the day Dem's have always put a more labor friendly member on the NMB than the Republicans have. No major airline will ever be able to strike again but if you look at the events leading up to the LUV TA you would never have a Republican NMB take action against a company who wasn't bargaining in good faith like this one has.
Old 10-18-2016 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
From your link:
But the airline industry is more profitable now. They have choices. It's clear that American labor costs are high and will have to come down, but that doesn't mean they have to terminate the plan.


You guys are ignoring the finances of each airline going through BK and attributing everything to a political party. Do you honestly believe that political party made a difference?

As for FAR 117, no sale. Not a partisan decision.

You Hilliary supporters need to spend a bit of time reading some of the WikiLeaks emails. She's a sociopathic liar, just like Trump. They're the same.

I guess our MEC does too! Since they are endorsing Clinton, a democrat...just like ALPA national endorsed her husband. But you can't be wrong. That's ok. Just keep paying those dues. Your leadership will look out for you.
Old 10-18-2016 | 09:31 AM
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Comedians have a way of cutting through the chaff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nQGBZQrtT0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVMW_1aZXRk

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Old 10-18-2016 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Cruise
That you cite "Faux News" as a source of anything credible is also telling on what you "get"...or in this instance, lack thereof.
How typical. Why deliver a well thought out counter viewpoint to the opinion expressed when you can simply trash the source that published it. You sound like a college campus crybully.
Old 10-18-2016 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
How typical.
I agree. Studies have actually analyzed how ill-informed Fox "News" viewers are relative to other media or even watching no news.

It is always advisable to consider the source.
Old 10-18-2016 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
I agree, but there is nothing there so far. Trump's tape on the other hand has 10+ victims corroborating his claims to sexual assault.
To me, it's quite the opposite and indisputable - and I don't understand how it can be otherwise. I would like to hear the arguments, though, other than "foux news" is wrong and the rest of the media (the majority of which it has been disclosed, donates to the DNC and HRC campaign) is right. That is not a valid argument. Studies show that people who make studies to discredit opposing views are the most biased and unwilling to be open to other possibilities outside their comfort sphere. ;-)
Old 10-18-2016 | 10:55 AM
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I'm shocked this thread isn't locked yet.

The MEC endorsed the candidate they think will be best for the goals of our pilot group and profession. If you have objections to that candidate for other reasons, by all means express them in an appropriate forum, which this probably is not. If you think the MEC has made an error and the other candidate would be more favorable to our Union, this probably is the place to say so. I'm sure there are a large number of individuals here who can discuss that idea with opinions backed up by verifiable data points.


In my opinion, the MEC selected the right candidate to endorse, based on the other candidate's history of employing and exploiting non-union workers and sourcing materials from non-US and non-union suppliers. In addition the party of the candidate they endorsed has historically been more favorable to unions than the party of the candidate they did not endorse, who have historically been more favorable to management. It is reasonable to infer that the two parties will continue those trends over the next four years.
Old 10-18-2016 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
LOL! How much do you and your wife earn? $179K/yr???? Now, 'quote' us some more realistic numbers. Married joint, our income is more than twice that quote. And since Hilliary's tax rates go up exponentially, my income tax rate is going to increase a LOT more than .1%. That's only Federal income tax.

... and let's not forget all of those other pesky taxes she's proposing - cap gains, net investment income tax of 3.8%, and business tax increases (those are simply passed on to the end user).

Toss in energy taxes - we all know that's coming - and a bunch of other junk tax increases to raise revenue to pay for more socialist programs.
Actually we will see no tax increase for earners below 250K AGI. Even if you make 320K and can't get your AGI below 250K you need a better Tax person. Do some reading from accurate, non-partisan sites and make your vote. And the number where the 3.8% kicks in is 465K (ish), Married Filing Jointly, and that is AGI. But do us all a favor and do some research and don't rely on Talk shows and opinion people. This is too important.
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Originally Posted by robthree
I'm shocked this thread isn't locked yet.

The MEC endorsed the candidate they think will be best for the goals of our pilot group and profession. If you have objections to that candidate for other reasons, by all means express them in an appropriate forum, which this probably is not. If you think the MEC has made an error and the other candidate would be more favorable to our Union, this probably is the place to say so. I'm sure there are a large number of individuals here who can discuss that idea with opinions backed up by verifiable data points.


In my opinion, the MEC selected the right candidate to endorse, based on the other candidate's history of employing and exploiting non-union workers and sourcing materials from non-US and non-union suppliers. In addition the party of the candidate they endorsed has historically been more favorable to unions than the party of the candidate they did not endorse, who have historically been more favorable to management. It is reasonable to infer that the two parties will continue those trends over the next four years.
Spot on. Vote anyway your conscience prods you, (I early voted and there must have been 8 different choices for President), but in the political arena, anything that helps our voice (ALPA) get listened to is a plus. MEC support for a candidate is about trying to influence hearts and minds on future issues.
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