UAL MEC endorses Clinton
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Good luck finding an 'honest' politician. Let us know when you do. Trump and reality have nothing in common. When is Trump releasing his tax returns and health records like Clinton has? How many more women are going to come forward that he sexually assaulted. Gotta love the hypocrisy of the 'value voters'.
The laws on intelligence oversight, communications security, etc are written on an 8th grade reading level. Not that hard to figure out and follow the law. She should be in jail. If anyone in the military had done this they would be in jail.
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Love the Russian rant esp asking why HC didn't stop Vlad in Ukraine. Did you happen to check to see if she was still Sec of State when Vlad went off? Facts are pointless sometimes. Truthful hyperbole is the way to go. This thread makes me feel like I'm locked in the pit at 380 at 3 am and still got 4 hours to go.
The 13 hours movie was pretty fair, but this should be a movie too.
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I care about Mrs. Clintons lack of respect for our US security laws. I took the same oath she did. I respected mine, she crapped on it. Repeatedly!
The laws on intelligence oversight, communications security, etc are written on an 8th grade reading level. Not that hard to figure out and follow the law. She should be in jail. If anyone in the military had done this they would be in jail.
The laws on intelligence oversight, communications security, etc are written on an 8th grade reading level. Not that hard to figure out and follow the law. She should be in jail. If anyone in the military had done this they would be in jail.
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All you have to do is look at our contracts during each era. Reagan? good god. What a disaster. After he fired all the controllers and showed the corporate world how to deal with them damn unions (see CAL/UAL strike, scabs, and the AMR permanent B-scale)...Bush-1 and his veto of the congressional bill to stop the Eastern strike...that's the last Repub I voted for! Clinton...RECORD $$$ contracts. 'nuff said. Bush 2...wow! Bankruptcies, double furloughs, pension terminations. OBAMA...c'mon man...NEVER had it THIS good. The point is...bad things happen to our profession (labor unions) when a Repub is in charge. They appoint FAA Administrators , PBGC Directors, NMB members (like Linda Puchala, former AFA union chief who mediated our current contract), and TSA Administrators (KCM ROCKS!). OF COURSE our union is gonna endorse a DEM. If you don't like it, that's ok. Just make sure you keep paying your dues. 

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Please walk us all through your logic of W being responsible for airline bankruptcies, furloughs and pension terminations. Then tell us all how Obama brought the airlines to our current state. You won't come up with anything other than partisan pablum. Correlation without causation.
I can make a solid case for external events being the root cause for both the downturn in the industry (a little thing known as 9/11) and the current boom in the industry (fracking/cheap oil). Correlation with causation.
I can make a solid case for external events being the root cause for both the downturn in the industry (a little thing known as 9/11) and the current boom in the industry (fracking/cheap oil). Correlation with causation.
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As I think about this even further I am PO'd for two reasons:
1. My MEC takes my dues money. They take yours too, but they take mine. If the MEC wants to come out with a public policy opinion they need to check with me first.
2. My MEC should be spending it's time, energy, and money doing things that enhance, and not detract from pilot unity. This bone-headed move just makes us argue within the pilot group about the MEC's actions. It's a dis-unifying event. That in turn reduces pilot solidarity, and that in turn makes us weaker as a bargaining unit. This decision by the MEC makes my union weaker. Shame on my MEC for wasting our dues money and making it harder to negotiate against management and enforce the contract our our LOA's.
1. My MEC takes my dues money. They take yours too, but they take mine. If the MEC wants to come out with a public policy opinion they need to check with me first.
2. My MEC should be spending it's time, energy, and money doing things that enhance, and not detract from pilot unity. This bone-headed move just makes us argue within the pilot group about the MEC's actions. It's a dis-unifying event. That in turn reduces pilot solidarity, and that in turn makes us weaker as a bargaining unit. This decision by the MEC makes my union weaker. Shame on my MEC for wasting our dues money and making it harder to negotiate against management and enforce the contract our our LOA's.
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Please walk us all through your logic of W being responsible for airline bankruptcies, furloughs and pension terminations. Then tell us all how Obama brought the airlines to our current state. You won't come up with anything other than partisan pablum. Correlation without causation.
I can make a solid case for external events being the root cause for both the downturn in the industry (a little thing known as 9/11) and the current boom in the industry (fracking/cheap oil). Correlation with causation.
I can make a solid case for external events being the root cause for both the downturn in the industry (a little thing known as 9/11) and the current boom in the industry (fracking/cheap oil). Correlation with causation.
Yeah, could be just a coincidence. I mean DAL and UAL's pensions were terminated. AMR's was frozen. The difference? PBGC directors appointed by different administrations. The FAA Administrator (former ALPA chief) appointed by Obama brought us FAR117. TSA admin appointed by Obama brought us KCM. NMB members appointed by Clinton and Obama mediated contract 2000 and 2012 respectively. All circumstantial evidence. What happened to us during the Reagan and Bush years was catastrophic....but i'm sure it was just coincidence.
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Remember NAFTA?
That little ole agreement put my father out of work. A card carrying pipe fitter and welder for 35 years. He was a ship builder in both the Hampton Roads VA, and Gretna, LA shipyards. He built freighters and super tankers. After NAFTA, he and thousands of other shipfitters lost their jobs to the Chinese. Those jobs never came back.
Bill Clinton (yesterday) and Hillary Clinton (today) both praise NAFTA. They both love it. It was a backwards and lopsided trade deal that set America into a downward spiral of outsourcing manufacturing and shipping jobs, not just in the short term, but for eternity.
Other negative impacts:
1. Encouraged outsourcing of Jobs overseas
2. Weakended Mexico Agriculture industry, Mexico's laborers then decided to illegally cross border to US to find work.
3. 97.2 Billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico
4. Both union and non union wages suppressed in America due to outsourcing pressure. IE. Chinese do it cheaper, therefore America will need to in order to compete locally and globally.
5. Trade tariffs made things fair. NAFTA removed trade tariffs. US lost more jobs and income due to removal of tariffs.
6. Increase in "border jobs" allowing for the importing of border labor to the USA for certain jobs and those workers don't pay taxes. The Maquiladora Workers program was not good for our country.
7. Mexico's environment deteriorated. Due to pressure to produce more, and become more competitive, Mexico used and continues to use more pesticide and fertilize to keep pace.
8. Open Skies...Not really, open roads. The total de-regulation of the Mexican trucking industry put allot of American long haul truckers out of work.
That little ole agreement put my father out of work. A card carrying pipe fitter and welder for 35 years. He was a ship builder in both the Hampton Roads VA, and Gretna, LA shipyards. He built freighters and super tankers. After NAFTA, he and thousands of other shipfitters lost their jobs to the Chinese. Those jobs never came back.
Bill Clinton (yesterday) and Hillary Clinton (today) both praise NAFTA. They both love it. It was a backwards and lopsided trade deal that set America into a downward spiral of outsourcing manufacturing and shipping jobs, not just in the short term, but for eternity.
Other negative impacts:
1. Encouraged outsourcing of Jobs overseas
2. Weakended Mexico Agriculture industry, Mexico's laborers then decided to illegally cross border to US to find work.
3. 97.2 Billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico
4. Both union and non union wages suppressed in America due to outsourcing pressure. IE. Chinese do it cheaper, therefore America will need to in order to compete locally and globally.
5. Trade tariffs made things fair. NAFTA removed trade tariffs. US lost more jobs and income due to removal of tariffs.
6. Increase in "border jobs" allowing for the importing of border labor to the USA for certain jobs and those workers don't pay taxes. The Maquiladora Workers program was not good for our country.
7. Mexico's environment deteriorated. Due to pressure to produce more, and become more competitive, Mexico used and continues to use more pesticide and fertilize to keep pace.
8. Open Skies...Not really, open roads. The total de-regulation of the Mexican trucking industry put allot of American long haul truckers out of work.
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