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Old 12-08-2016 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bestglide
Hey didn't your boy have over 7 years, that's rite 7 years to undo all the evil the bush administration has done?
It is a matter of priorities. You might remember the global economic crisis? Saving 260,000 auto jobs much to the chagrin of the Republicans? Two wars? Killing bin Laden? Health care with no help from Republicans? Even with all that going on the Dems did manage to improve some of the labor provisions in 2009, but obviously not enough.
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Hypocracy (sic) at its finest!
You said it brother!
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Old 12-08-2016 | 07:41 PM
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It is a matter of priorities. You might remember the global economic crisis? Saving 260,000 auto jobs much to the chagrin of the Republicans? Two wars? Killing bin Laden? Health care with no help from Republicans? Even with all that going on the Dems did manage to improve some of the labor provisions in 2009, but obviously not enough.
You said it brother!
You mean the economic crisis that was created by Bill Clinton through the community reinvestment act and led to the exponential growth of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. The two mortgage giants that were identified in 2004 as huge threats. And when W tried to reign them in who motioned to block the legislation: Chris Dodd and Barack Obama. He did get UBL. But I believe the piece of intelligence that led to him was obtained through the much maligned water boarding. Regarding Obamacare, you can't be serious.
It's a disaster. I think Jonathan Gruber does a pretty good job of explaining it.

What we do know is:
95 million Americans are out of work.
The labor participation rate is at it lowest in over 40 years.
He more than doubled the national debt in 8 years.
Median household income is lower today than 10 years ago.
There are more people today on food stamps than 8 years ago.
There are more people today under the poverty line than 8 years ago.
We've had the longest streak since the depression of sub 3% GDP growth.
I'd continue but you get the idea.
And for the record I'm not some angry middle age white guy who watches nothing but Fox News.
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Old 12-08-2016 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
Take all the time you need, but since your memory WRT Obama is selective at best I would anticipate the same with Trump.

I think it is pretty clear that appointments are policy especially with someone like Trump. For those with our eyes open it is pretty obvious that this is going to be a very rough four years for labor.
One things for sure... Not much you and I can do about it. My recommendation is stop urinating into the wind and move on with your life... worrying what bad things might happen will eat you up.
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Old 12-08-2016 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RJDio
You mean the economic crisis that was created by Bill Clinton
He stupidly signed the Republican's repeal of Glass Steagall, but the global economic crisis was the result of one thing, leverage brought on by that bill and the repeal of the net capital rule by Bush's SEC Chairman Donaldson. It previously limited leverage to 12-1 for banks.

The rest of your talking points were the result of digging out of the near depression brought on by the right wing's deregulation (for which we are headed back), demographics and globalization.

Feel free to tell us what the Republicans did for those issues other than cause or exacerbate them. Next you'll be telling us the Republicans are pro-labor if not pro-union.

To quote Melvin Udall, Go "sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here."
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Old 12-08-2016 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
He stupidly signed the Republican's repeal of Glass Steagall, but the global economic crisis was the result of one thing, leverage brought on by that bill and the repeal of the net capital rule by Bush's SEC Chairman Donaldson. It previously limited leverage to 12-1 for banks.

The rest of your talking points were the result of digging out of the near depression brought on by the right wing's deregulation (for which we are headed back), demographics and globalization.

Feel free to tell us what the Republicans did for those issues other than cause or exacerbate them. Next you'll be telling us the Republicans are pro-labor if not pro-union.

To quote Melvin Udall, Go "sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here."
Again, Bill created the mechanism that propelled the housing crisis. If I'm not mistaken Bush had a balanced congress for most of his 8 years. Obama had a super majority and his major accomplishment was the failed affordable healthcare act. Obama, Hank Paulson, and Tim Geithner engineered the bank bailout, which rewarded and helped consolidate Wall Street. Maybe you haven't been paying attention but Obama is the one who's been pushing globalism and supporting NAFTA. Republicans are complicit in the decline of our nation but it's mainly due to the fact of their constant capitulation. No the GOP is not the champion of unions. But judging by the approval of NAI, Barry is not the champion of airline labor. I'm withholding judgement on trump. He's not my daddies typical republican. I'm hoping for the best but not holding my breath.

You can dismiss my "talking point", but the facts are the facts. But I guess that's never gotten in the way of the liberal narrative.

Ultimately we have to look out for each other regardless of political affiliation. Fly the contract and fly safe.
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Old 12-08-2016 | 08:55 PM
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Here we go arguing about things that happened 10-20 years ago and have little bearing on today. Both US parties screwed us and it's doubtful either one really cares about us. Meanwhile NAI keeps grinding away:

They announced something like 20 weekly European flights going into Stewart NY this week. How about we put our political differences aside and focus on what really matters, squashing NAI UNITED any way we can?

the pun was unintentional until I got there...
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Old 12-09-2016 | 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Bestglide
When will B.O. ever be held accountable for anything?


Never! That's just the way the left is...
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Old 12-09-2016 | 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiggam
How about we put our political differences aside and focus on what really matters, squashing NAI UNITED any way we can?

the pun was unintentional until I got there...
I don't see UAL as interested in squashing NAI. I see our management, at the present time as more interested in them co-existing. Their presence will help management justify downward pressure on lowering the cost of pilot labor. NAI's existence hurts all major US airlines in terms of their union's ability to argue for and justify higher wages.

If NAI is doing the same job for less, management will be keen to point that out in negotiations. Just like comps when shopping for a house. or comps when paying taxes on a house.

When NAI gets a bigger and more threatening footprint, management may be forced to act, but like so many other airlines, if they get a strong foothold it may be hard to force them off the edge of the cliff.
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Old 12-09-2016 | 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RJDio
Bill created the mechanism that propelled the housing crisis.
No, you are completely incorrect. Glass Steagall is what allowed commercial banks to act like investment banks. It was repealed by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act. All three of those legislators were Republicans. Bush's SEC Chairman Donaldson allowed the banks to lever up.
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If I'm not mistaken Bush had a balanced congress for most of his 8 years. Obama had a super majority
You're mistaken. Obama had six years of a Dem Senate and two of a Dem House. Bush had four years of a R Senate and Six of a R House. If not for what Obama, the Fed and even Bush at the end of his term did the economy would have surely gone into a depression.

Here are some numbers that show how far we have come economically under Obama. Good and bad.

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Old 12-09-2016 | 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball
I don't see UAL as interested in squashing NAI. I see our management, at the present time as more interested in them co-existing. Their presence will help management justify downward pressure on lowering the cost of pilot labor. NAI's existence hurts all major US airlines in terms of their union's ability to argue for and justify higher wages.

If NAI is doing the same job for less, management will be keen to point that out in negotiations. Just like comps when shopping for a house. or comps when paying taxes on a house.

When NAI gets a bigger and more threatening footprint, management may be forced to act, but like so many other airlines, if they get a strong foothold it may be hard to force them off the edge of the cliff.
I'm confident that United is concerned about NAI. Their concerns however, are different than ours. They are tasked with advancing the corporation and promoting it's business model. While their leadership reputation is on line, they will always get paid.
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