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Old 12-04-2016 | 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr
good point. trump never did. having said that i agree that a democrat approved this NAI garbage. i also agree with trump on the matter of the TPP. perhaps its best our union takes positions on policy, not politics...

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I recall that ALPA PAC donated to Marion Berry's campaign in 1994...
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Old 12-04-2016 | 05:58 AM
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What a coincidence that the lead proponent of the open sky agreement is now a consultant for NOrwegian...
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Old 12-04-2016 | 08:45 AM
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In your opinions... any chance that the NAI fight will do something to entice SWA and AA to join ALPA ranks?
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Old 12-04-2016 | 09:38 AM
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Council 5 Updage on NAI


Ladies and Gentlemen of Council 5,

By now, most of you know that the Obama Department of Transportation (DOT) has approved Norwegian Air Internationals (NAI) application for an air carrier permit. We are appalled by this decision and will do everything in our power to reverse it. An accurate assessment of the situation is in the Dec 2nd MEC Master Chairman update (see attached).

The NAI Flag of convenience scheme violates the U.S. / E.U. Open Skies agreement, in that, it completely ignores the labor protections spelled out in it. Oddly, the European Commission (executive body of the E.U. responsible for upholding treaties) approved NAI's application three years ago. NAI is a European carrier, which may put some money in its European owners' pockets, but it will not create the jobs as promised.

The sales pitch of how NAI will create jobs on both sides of the Atlantic is a complete sham. Sure, a handful airport jobs might be created, but in the long run this scheme sets the stage for an offshoring of the entire American aviation industry. It is analogous to saying that jobs were created in the U.S. maritime industry just because someone was hired to clean the docks and turn off the lights after the last ships sailed away, permanently.

Our UPA scope provisions currently prohibit United Airlines from planting a Flag outside the U.S. however; the approval of NAI has set up a destructive precedent. We expect dozens of similar applications to be submitted, eventually forcing every U.S. carrier to follow suit. The President of the United States can disapprove the DOTs decision within 60 days. While it was the Obama administration that approved this ruling, despite labor's objections, our Union will vigorously lobby the incoming Trump administration to right this wrong. Be assured, your leadership will be working with our Legislative Affairs Committee and ALPA-International to reverse this absurd ruling. If we were in charge, we would immediately begin picketing at both the White House and Trump Tower to seek help.

Please stay tuned in the days and weeks ahead on this issue, and be prepared to act.

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Old 12-04-2016 | 10:01 AM
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Not to worry. I'm sure the company is planning schemes to pry money out of your wallet.
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Old 12-04-2016 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr
no doubt. thats their job. its not personal, its just good business.however, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. if NAI is successful none of us pilots will have money in our wallets to pry out...
I've watched as you floundered trying to protect yourself but this is absolutely a dumb comment. LCAL types used this phrase "its not personal, its just good business" as they tried to protect JS and JP during their attempted robbing and stealing portion of the early merger.

Anything the company does that has a negative effect on our pilot careers at United is PERSONAL. Maybe it's time you take off that management hat.
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Old 12-04-2016 | 10:44 AM
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I've watched as you floundered trying to protect yourself but this is absolutely a dumb comment. LCAL types used this phrase "its not personal, its just good business" as they tried to protect JS and JP during their attempted robbing and stealing portion of the early merger.

Anything the company does that has a negative effect on our pilot careers at United is PERSONAL. Maybe it's time you take off that management hat.
Wow. Only you would try to relate this in any way to an LCAL/LUAL thing.
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Old 12-04-2016 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by b52dthdlr
nice try. pointing out the obvious is hardly a ringing endorsement of the company. your selective amnesia concerning my comments against the company concerning their missives and decisions points to the fact that you cant get over your personal animosity towards me. maybe its the fact that i "think" out every scenario rather than can an answer that irritates you the most. personally i dont care what you think, about me or whats happening at the company.
I was actually starting to feel sorry for you but I'm beginning to see why you were being attacked on this forum. What's really surprising is the academy cadre let you get through their program - so it was your critical thinking that got you through. It couldn't have been because of the help from tons of your friends.
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Old 12-04-2016 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 13n144e
Wow. Only you would try to relate this in any way to an LCAL/LUAL thing.
It wasn't hard considering b52...... is probable an ex-cal management anti-ALPA type. Haven't you heard Munoz has sensitivity training going on in the middle to little management ranks and those that can't conform are being given the boot from the club. He probable would not have gotten a command in the AF and now being demoted at United, he's a little but hurt. Thank You
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Old 12-04-2016 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
It wasn't hard considering b52...... is probable an ex-cal management anti-ALPA type. Haven't you heard Munoz has sensitivity training going on in the middle to little management ranks and those that can't conform are being given the boot from the club. He probable would not have gotten a command in the AF and now being demoted at United, he's a little but hurt. Thank You
Less than 48 hours after approval and NAI is already talking about expanding in LAX, OAK,JFK; Norwegian proposing London Gatwick Trans-Atlantic expansion in S17 :: Routesonline Something about those cities sounds familiar - oh, yeah - that's where we have three of our hubs. Yet this is what your worried about? Your petty little misperceived dramas and squabbles won't seem so important a few years from now when we're getting buried by NAI and the like. B52 at least had a point to make with his suggestion that management has a dog in this fight as well and it might be worthwhile for ALPA to look to management as a potential ally. At least worth considering but nah, your too busy with Munoz's sensitivity training and personal letter writing campaigns.
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