That is absolutely the best laugh I've had all week.

You must be illin....If you ever do get that interview just have a really solid story on why, how and what the experience did to make you a better person and a better pilot. Good luck.

Just want to understand this correctly-
We hired someone (recently?) that has 2 DUI's, "one recently"?

If true, that does not bode well about our hiring.
Then again, I live by - :if it don't sound legit, it probably aint:

Motch

Yeah,

I'm not buying that one either. Mr. multiple check ride failure and nasty attitude is going to have one heck of a tough time IF he can ever get to the interview phase.

Agreed. Based on the guys I know who haven't even been called I'm not buying we have new hires with recent DUIs. We're years away from hiring folks who can't pass checkrides and drive drunk regularly.

But not as much as you think. There's been more than a few with multiple check ride fails, violations, DUI's, performance downgrades, etc.

But yeah, it's amazing that there types you we all know with experience and spotless records without even a HPI email while others get in that for RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW probably shouldn't with XX,XXX apps in the stack.

It's who you know in many cases that gets people hired.

one problem with these forums is that few ppl on them can read
you all get below 500 on reading on SAT's ??

the guy said he knows a United guy with two DUI's, one recently

the DUI is "recently" not the guy getting hired

sheesh. no wonder the climb and descend via's get so misunderstood

i too know United pilots with two DUI's. they got em long after they were hired.
maybe that's what the poster meant. who knows. but the attacks based on the attackers' poor grasp of English grammar are ... ahhh. typical.

Bus,

Granted, nobody on here can read gooder than you, but paperboi was talking about getting HIRED with certain black marks on his and others records. I don't believe the topic of what one could get away with while EMPLOYED at UA was ever mentioned. And yes, my reading score on the SAT was pretty underwhelming!

So.. someone I know (same newhire class) texted me to inform me that the post is true.. that he knows the individual 'very well' and that he got his 2nd DUI and went through the program, and got hired by UAL shortly thereafter.

Can not believe that with 1000's of apps on file, we would hire an individual with 2 DUI's.
Yes, we are all allowed to make mistakes and learn from them.. but in this day and age, weren't there enough guys with only one DUI to choose from?

Each his own..
Motch

PS) I can't imagine what potential new hires who read these threads must be thinking.. those with clean records, 1000's of hours PIC, LCA or volunteers within the community, Mil Veterans, etc.. and still waiting for the call~
Hang in there guys & gals~

I'll disagree with that, Motch.

There are plenty of marginal aviators who possess squeaky clean records and just happen to be total nimrods. Certainly, you've flown with a few. As far as we know, he's got lunar landings, 15,000 hours of spotless 121 PIC time and is now cleaner than Mother Theresa. He did make it through the interview after all.

DWI regs have been tightened to idiotic levels. When I was young, the police would put your beer in their trunk and send you home with a short speech. Today, not so much. I say, give the guy a chance.

Just my opinion.

Or did they put the beer in their trunk for later? 😉

Of course they did. This was a million years ago. Legal age for beer was 18 then. A guy could have two DUI's by the time he graduated HS using that and today's BAC limits.

The cop would then inquire who had consumed the least and they'd instruct that guy to drive the rest home. That would be the end of story. That would never happen today.

Re: Checkride
 

No one should be making logbook entries in your logbook except for an you and and an instructor endorsement. It kills me the lack of knowledge some of these instructors have!!! You should not try to hide this but it should not be in your logbook either.

Re: Checkride
 

No one should be making logbook entries in your logbook except for you or an instructor for an endorsement. You should not try to hide this but it should not be in your logbook either. Talk to an FAA inspector about PRIA, they can give you concrete advice on what is reportable and not reportable. Inspectors will give you unbiased information.

he wrote "my friend is at United with two DUI's"

maybe I am right that his friend got them after he was hired
or, maybe you are right that his friend was hired with the DUI's

but the language does not tell us
so I still think it was incorrect to jump to the conclusion that his friend got hired with two DUI's

OM..
I agree, there are nimrods out there. Many of us see them every day..
But I guess I'm just baffled that someone could put down that they had had not one, but 2 DUI's on Airline Apps and it somehow gets looked at before others.
I personally know of a few pilots from my old guard unit that never got a call at United before they interviewed and were hired but the other Big 3. No DUI's, great resumes and good, quality flight time~

I (personally) thought it was not right that we have NewHires that have never checked out as Captain at a 121 carrier. Especially when there are TONS of applicants who DO HAVE 121 PIC time. Just my opinion.

As far as 'times' go.. yeah, I still remember NYPD asking us "which one of you is the soberest one?" or "park the car and walk the **** home". LOL

Times have changed.
As I stated before, everyone can make a mistake. It's about being human. The second mistake can be pure bad luck.. I get that. But guess I don't think it's right to hire someone with 2 DUI's while there are tons of guys out there without 1 DUI. Sends a strange message. Then again, we are living in a stranger and stranger world.
Surprised that our company would be willing to take that chance and risk on an individual. Oh well.. lucky him.

Happy Xmas
Motch

Doesn't having two DUI's mean that dude has poor decision making skills? Isn't this job about decision making skills? I feel like there is an elephant hiding in the room. I don't excuse 1 DUI, but damn, stuff happens and people make poor choices, but you should have learned after one...IMHO. Flame on.

There are a lot of good guys who have been sitting in the right seat for 8-9 years at places like ExpressJet. Do you overlook them? In some cases ExpressJet etc. didn't hire someone and they got a job at a Mesa, Trans States etc. and upgraded in 18 months because said company hired the rejects. I think those factors need to be taken into account.

The stage check doesnt count.. its only 3

I agree that ALL factors need to be looked at. Does it suck that someone might have sat right seat for 8-9 years and didn't get an upgrade due to company issues.. yes.
But lets look at the real world for a sec.

If you have 10 pilots who show up/apply for 2 jobs, where do you start your criteria and what do you put on the bottom?
PIC time? 121 PIC time? College degree? Veteran status? Training issues/busts? Criminal convictions? Numerous jobs? etc..

Something has got to be weighed heavily, while other items weighed less.

Again, I find it surprising that with the pool of qualified pilots out there, someone with 2 DUI's would be hired over someone without.

BTW- Should that 8-9 year FO at ExpressJet be hired over that 10-11 year Captain at ExpressJet?
Unfortunately, the world isn't fair. Just got to hope that your timing is good (or better than the other guy/gal) and that you have a little luck~ Too often, too many thinks are out of your control.

Always
Motch

PS) Will add that every NewHire I have met has been great. But it was surprising when I met a few of them who didn't upgrade at their Regional. Including one who told me that she didn't because of QoL.
Good luck to them all.. Good Luck to all those applying~

March/April is what they're saying now, any ideas on class dates?

Bus, if it helps I personally know a guy that was hired with 2 DUI's. He had his last one maybe 5-6 years or so ago. Not 100% sure about that time frame but it wasn't real recent before he was hired.

He is a very good guy that made some incredibly stupid decisions. He was able to finally get his act straight and show he learned his lessons and was able to support others who have substance abuse issues.

Regardless of what we feel about people's scared back grounds, clearly United felt he would be a good addition.

2017 classes listed:

1/10
1/24
2/7
2/21
3/7
3/21

*these were posted in October, subject to change and will probably be updated after the beginning of the year.

I heard they hired some dude who left his car idling in the employee parking lot over a 3 day trip, that's just crazy. ;)

good thing you started with a full tank !
-on the bright side, your battery got charged.

Ha!

:D :D :D

thanks for the note 4u...

I wasn't really trying to wade into the debate about the airline's hiring criteria..
i was just jumping into the forum about the one guy's post. i think ppl maybe read way more into his words than i saw there
that's all

cheers !

Irony:

When a Continental guy says: We should keep our hiring criteria very strict

and a United guy says: everyone makes mistakes, give the guy another shot

I hear ya! I'm not sure if this is same guy in question or not but figured the info I know might help shed more light on the discussion.

Cheers to you and enjoy the holidays!

Gouge is that's what Dec interviewees were told.

My point EXACTLY!
Where do we get men like those?

Next thing you know, they'll be driving around in a convertible with the top down, in Winter~

Always
Motch

PS> It was a 5 day trip! She lasted over 24hrs till she ran dry.
:D

Well how else are you gonna cram in the xmas 🌲 unless the tops down?!?

If we're FB friends.. you'll see that I did just that the other day!
LOL

Heat and Xmas Music blaring,.... my neighbors and fellow town folk shaking their head at me.. but with a smile!

Happy Xmas Everyone~
Motch

That's where I heard it.

I was told by a application review company to list stage checks. I also lost part 141 school end of course checkrides. Feel like I might be shooting myself in the foot but don't want to not disclose something.

I would definitely list stage check failures from Part 141 schools. Yes technically they aren't FAA checkrides but I was just trying to be as upfront and honest as possible. All the airlines know the drill with these and don't really care unless it's a whole bunch.

Be sure to read the question you're answering in airline apps closely. It's be reworded a few times to be very broad regarding failures (checkride and otherwise)

If you call/email BK, he WILL tell you to list EVERYTHING. You're NOT shooting yourself in that foot.....

Stage checks, phase checks, whatever.

Hey fellas,


APC Quicktakes says that UAL is planning on hiring 450 next year. Is that down from previous forecasts? And if so, why? What's going on?