It's a fluid industry and change is constant. Plans are cast in oatmeal. The only things that don't change are stupidity and avarice.

Bill Kennedy said ~650 pilots to be hired in 2017. He made that statement on 8 November.
I don't know what APC Quicktakes is, but I'd go with Bill's number.

This is what's going on:

https://www.airlinepilothiring.net/I...etirements.jpg

Everything else is subject to revision.

Where are the new hires being based and what a/c?

Ok. Just making sure there wasn't some dire economic report coming out that was changing the big wigs forecasts, or something.


Thanks! :D

But but but but........Oscar said by 2018 we were gonna have 17,000 pilots and 900 air frames on the property? Wa'happen?

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a Delta guy and we've got a bid closing tomorrow. I don't want to make a mistake and be stuck on the bottom of a list for years if there is information out there to warn me now.

I always seem to figure stuff out, AFTER the fact. :D

Mixture of -737's and -320's and based in SFO and EWR initially.

Story of my life bro............

So, what exactly does that imply? Those retirement numbers haven't changed from the last few hiring "projections", yet the hiring projections still decrease. And the total end number "rumors" of 17000 to 18500 by 2020 are still out there.

I'd like to see the company come out with a better explanation of why the hiring has deceased (TK issues?) and how we're going to end with 5000-6000 more pilot's (buy a another airline).

I agree I am putting everything I can, hard to say if I did or didn't according to my logbook because I could easily have had a fill in instructor, doesn't say stage check. I'm trying to get my student record from school but it's been 13 years ha.

I don't think they care about things 13 years ago, it's more about airline history, if you've been in the Airlines for years multiple types, upgrade etc etc and no busts it's hard to imagine them weighing that against lazy eights etc.

Stage checks are a little unfair in my opinion as a part 61 guy won't have any of those only FAA checkrides. Still will list though of course.

What you think, and your opinion means Richard. If they ask for it, list it. Your ENTIRE history, not just what you feel is fair.

Might have something to do with the fact that 61- 737s have been indefinitely deferred. Don't you think? Deliveries were to start in 2017. No planes...no pilots.

Sled

+1. It's more of an honestly test than anything. The more you leave out and they find out about, the more of a problem you face.

My point is that the only known quantity is the number of guys headed out the door. Those numbers are fixed. Any hiring planning the company may engage in begins with those numbers.

Where they go with those numbers is subject to change. We could match retirements, or double retirements, or not hire another pilot.

In my short time here I've seen those numbers swing around so much I don't even bother trying to forecast future hiring, because obviously that is a moving target (particularly with the recent major changes in fleet plans and those at the top who make the decisions).

Whatever target number was said in the past (17k or whatever) is ancient history, just like the 65 737-700s. Who knows what the plan is now?

I know a few folks in the hiring dept, flew with one last week. I asked the specific question about whether the recent fleet news, 737 deferment etc was in anyway related to the recent hiring shortfalls. Everyone has said don't read too much into it. The IAHTK move to DEN, construction, consolidation etc at DENTK has created their largest bottle neck. That's all there is too it.

When you see sims sitting around empty, or being leased out to third parties, then we can worry.

As far as the 17k+ numbers... I think everyone is in agreement, regardless of your tin foil hat size, the only way to get there is to buy someone.

Yeah winston and grumble, that's kind of what I thought you meant. Thanks for the reply. With all the ups and downs, it just leaves everyone guessing and wondering.

Yes and no. The hiring numbers didn't go UP when the said they were buying those planes...

Sorry, but you're not correct. As mentioned, call/email BK and ask him YOURSELF.

But it's cool, don't take my word for it.....

Last weeks FOU stated they were going to get more utilization out of our current narrowbody's for 2017 fwiw.

I'm not sure what I'm wrong about, I agree with you list everything. When I said I don't think they care I meant list it but I don't think that would kill your chances of getting a interview.

As stated several pages ago, the reading comprehension of some of these guys is next to nil. Some people just love arguing and always being right.

Ok, sorry, my bad. Let me rephrase;

Will it stop you from being selected for interview? Nope, not one bit. IN FACT, it's pretty amazing what some people do have that still get an interview.

However, if there is a fail/unsat, that have you listed on your app and the CA interviewing you uses the tactic on his opening salvo of "so, you had a fail/unsat early on, tell me what happened?"

If you say something like "well, that was 13 years ago, all you should care about is airline stuff and airline history".

Then it MOST CERTAINLY DOES MATTER.

And as stated previously if your attitude in real time is anything like your online attitude you are going to have a very rough time in an interview.

Right but my point was with regards to getting the interview I've been told it doesn't matter by a pilot recruiter, what your response to question once in the interview will matter as you say.

No sir it is not I can assure you. I just gave up patience with what is lost in translation on these message boards. If I'm lucky enough to sling gear for you at United one day you'd see different. Happy New Year.

QUOTE=Airhoss;2270796]And as stated previously if your attitude in real time is anything like your online attitude you are going to have a very rough time in an interview.[/QUOTE]

Best of luck to you boi....

Nothing was lost in translation or reading comprehension. If you were to walk into an interview and state that you had "3 or maybe 4" check ride failures you are already done. You need to present solid factual information and have the ability to speak to those failures.

I will be sure and take you off of my "help that guy out" list...

Good Luck with more than 2 checkride failures....

+1. (Filler......)

Not sure if this is already posted but in case it wasn't, I just noticed this on flying together.

Updated 12/29

January 10, 2017
January 24, 2017

February 7, 2017
February 14, 2017
February 21, 2017

March 7, 2017
March 14, 2017
March 21, 2017

April 4, 2017
April 11, 2017
April 25, 2017

Wow that added some classes. Good news!

Guess we will get a big vacancy bid next week, so they have "unfilled" vacancies for these classes

There's only 4 guys per class.

Well here's hoping for 26 girls per class then! 😆

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^^^^ For the Win^^^^

I'll wear a dress and heels if that's what it takes!

Is that what you've heard or has it been posted somewhere? Of course, I could be missing sarcasm if that's what was intended :@

Take a DEEP breath. ;)

Yes it is twue!

It's rock solid. They want to be to 11,000 pilots by 2019.