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Current students and recent graduates only please.
UAL pilots that can answer too please.

What are the classes filled with? (Former ExpressJet pilots? CommutAir? SkyWest? Republic? Military? Corporate?)

What aircraft are going to new hires? 737 series? Airbus 319/320? Other?

What bases?

How hard is it to get IAH?

What's training like?

How hard is it to get accepted?

Thanks for answering my questions. I'm not sure why but I've always wanted UAL over other legacies. AA is nice but I want United. Seems like a better place to be.

You've come a long way since you posted the above a month and a half ago.

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Half and half Regional to Military.

Mostly 737.

SFO or EWR.

Faster to IAH on the 737 than the 320 currently.

Training is the big boy program but all instructors are there to help and will go above and beyond from what I've seen.

Accepted? Update AirlineApps monthly, don't let your passport or Class 1 Med expire.

Student01,

Honest question I'm not being hard on you. What rateings and how much time do you have?

The reason I ask is because unless you are hireable at this time no one can answer your questions. Every 6 months those answers change.

Keep working hard and one day we will be able to shine a lot more light on the situation for you.

MoP is right, hiring is a moving target. If you're just starting down this career path get your ratings and your bachelor degree. Get your degree in something that you'll complete. Network along the way, you never know who might be your next chief pilot. Keep trying to improve yourself. Keep some sort of journal that you can reference when you prep for an interview that has good stories for tell me about a time questions. Own your mistakes and grow from them.

This job is a rollercoaster. Despite all the bi@#$ing on this board it is still a great job with an office view that can't be beat.

To piggyback on TI and MoP who give great thoughts, I applaud you taking the initiative to ask questions before you make big decisions. Sounds like you've taken the "get your degree" advice to heart. Good. It's not the key to getting hired, but it would be the key to NOT getting hired if you didn't have it.

I don't think it's 50/50 military anymore, but that's just a guess on my part. I think it's more regional pilots, but that's just from my non-official observation of who the new hires are that I'm flying with. Lastly, be humble, listen to advice from folks who have been around for awhile but don't be afraid to question things that you don't understand or don't make sense, and be thankful that you're coming on at a GREAT time! HALF of our list is gone in 10 years

^^^THIS^^^ more like 70/30% RJ/MIL... current/qualified mil pilot pool is not what it used to be...

As of last week at the interview they were claiming 53% mil to this point in 2016.

Has anyone been hired with 3 or 4 checkride failures from back in commercial and CFI training but 0 training problems in last 12 years with several Jet 121 types and jet PIC? Im just finishing degree and would love to come to United next year but afraid these failures from 2005 might hurt. Anyone with similar experience?

Okay,

How can you have no training issues and have 3 OR 4 (what is it 3 or 4?) check ride failures? And yes I'd say that is a HUGE problem.

It was 12 years ago and examiner might not have put in logbook so there are 3 in my logbook and possibly a 4th that he forgot to enter. It was 12 years ago...how good is your memory from 2005? My friend is at United with 2 DUIs, one recent so ill take your HUGE problem with a HUGE grain of salt.

And i said ive had zero training failures in past 12 years with 4 jet types.

I would apply, update frequently, and let United decide if its huge deal or not


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Being untruthful doesn't just kill your chances with an airline, it defines you as a person. Are you that insecure with who you are as a person that you need to compensate? Three or four is still a lot when you are competing against people with clean records who are openly admitting their faults. A mistake that you own and grow from is easily forgiven but a mistake that you deny and lie to conceal is a blemish that can't be forgiven.

Thank you for your reply but how am I being untruthful? I openly admit it here and also did so on my application. I was a young kid and eager to finish as quickly as possible. Didnt realize checkride failures could have an effect later on down the road. Ive obviously learned from my mistakes and havent made another in over 12 years.

He "might" have forgotten to put it in the logbook?

There is "possibly" a fourth failure?

My memory from 2005 is fantastic and I'm sure as **** Gona remember if I ever failed a checkride.

So did you fail 3 or 4? Tell the truth.

If you don't tell the truth to yourself then how you can possibly pass an interview?

+1............

Okay, I went to a part 141 flight school with a ton of end of courses and stage checks. It could have been one of those that was the 4th. I really dont remember so ill just say 4. Is there some special line between 3 and 4 failures that im not aware of?

No it's about honesty.....

and for your information failing a stage check at a 141 flight school will not hurt you at all. I think I understand now why you don't remember.

Failed rateing rides and 121 checkrides will hurt you.

So did you fail stage checks? Or rateing rides?

This.

A "failure" on a 141 stage check is not really a failure.

When in doubt, disclose more than less. This is not the industry to try and sneak by something like an extra failed check compared to what is on your application. United's interview process is a piece of cake for those that are honest, humble and accountable for all positives and negatives in their lives/career.

It's not so much a line between 3 vs 4 failures, its the notion that you are aware of a failure but trying to skirt around it as it might not be in your log book. That is an integrity concern and would surely bite you square in the bum.

As stated about a friend here with 2 DUI's (likely a mutual friend BTW), he is far from perfect but owned his errors and was able to show how he learned from not one but two pretty big screw up's. Nobody is perfect, but being open and honest is the next closest thing. Best of luck!

I don't see a training issue in your posts, but your explanations would raise red flags if you were sitting across the table from me. Based on what you've written so far I can't say I would approve you to move forward.

Agreed! The interview would be very short. If these "failures" are written in your log book you will need to explain them even if they are just 141 stage checks. Being hostile and flipant won't cut it with the panel.

3...once for commercial multi. One on cfi initial and one for CFII. 4th had to be end of course for 121 thats why its not in logbook but ill order full FAA records to be sure. The last thing i want to do is lie and ruin a potential job. Just trying to see if anyone with 3 or more busts has neen hired at any legacy including SWA. Thanks

Because it sounded an awfully lot like you were trying to rationalize not putting the failures on your application.

Check ride failures is what they are looking for. A stage check in an approved training program is not an FAA failure.

If everyone had to do that, anyone with military flight school would have to put every ride failure through training. Then no one would get hired.

FAA checks, yes, stage checks in a school, don't worry about it. But as stated above, don't even try to lie or omit stuff. If you are caught, it's game over, and never another interview. They really don't like dishonesty--and I have to agree.

If it's FAA, put it down, let the process decide.

I was only being slightly hostile because i was immediately accused of being dishonest. Ive been hired by two airlines who asked about failures and was upfront and owned them. Got hired by both. However they were not legacy that's why my heightened concern.

If you are honestly looking for input, great. Say thank you for advice and information. Slightly hostile?? Not the way to go, and as stated, very short interview...

I dont see how I was hostile at all but its what another member said on here. Simply clarifying my situation. I'm not worried about explaining and owning my failures in interview. Im a very humble person. Its getting the interview im worried about.

Paperboi
I took your question as an honest open inquiry on an anonymous message board - and took it as a good-faith effort to think things through before getting to a legacy interview.
Disregard the attacks from the regulars on this forum. If you watch it long enough, you'll notice the regulars seem to be grumpy old guys sitting aroun commuter crash pads in their boxer shorts eating cold pizza and upset that they have to sit reserve in a crash pad after they bid some jet and seat for the pay. They will jump your sheize just because they are unhappy that they can't sit reserve at their pool in Orlando....
Keep up your research and figure out exactly how you will address issues in your interviews and good luck


And Airhoss. No idea who you are but you normally post pretty good comments. This time you missed though. The guy clearly wrote " in the last 12 years". I'm guessing you posted after a long day or a couple local crafts...

Checkride failures can be overcome especially if they are GA and you've had a stellar 121 career. I'm an example. In a weird way they may have helped me. Knowing I had them on my record made me work harder, study more, go to job fairs, network, volunteer etc. If I don't have those on my record perhaps I don't do all of those things. In the end it worked out.

Yes they have. Just be honest about it. Recent history outweighs past history.

Thanks guys for the constructive critcism and helpful input. Im sure ill be fine :-)

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Dave, Many of the military guys I have flown with have never failed a ride. Just saying'. Myself and 5 other guys from my squadron have been hired in the last 2 years and the sum total for failed rides (including training) is zero.

👏 cool story bro

Classy:rolleyes:

Progress checks during UPT are not checkrides... FAA and the airlines only care about military Form 8 checkrides (USAF) or their sister service equivalents (Aircraft Qual and/or Instrument Checkrides)... don't bother discussing UPT training stuff other Than your final Nav Check before graduation and getting your wings.

Agreed, a lot of really sharp guys out there. That was the case for me as well, but not everyone out of UPT had the same luck.

Example, My table mate failed the formation check because he was on the wing and lead busted the area by an half mile, that's gage error front seat-back seat. They got him too, yes it was bogus, but still an individual ride bust--which should have no bearing on interviews.

What you lack in checkride passes, attention to detail, and attitude, you make up for in confidence. I'm sure you'll be fine.:)

I think the irony here is that a failed 141 stage check and an AQP retrain aren't really failures. But fail your weight shift control sea rating and by god you had better report that!

OP, it doesn't matter how many checkrides you've failed. People who take more rides have more failures. It doesn't matter if you lie either. It probably wont affect your odds much, unless you're boldy stupid. But take some advice. When asked how many checkrides you've failed you need a number, a name, and a story for each one. Don't say "three maybe four". It sounds like you have a poor memory, don't care, don't learn, don't keep records. With that answer I'd imagine the type of guy who keeps a 10 inch layer of empty cheetos bags and soda bottles in the passenger seat of his car.

FINISH HIM!!!!!!

fATALITY!!!!!